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Title: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on October 20, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
Hey all,

Just a quick little poll to see whether the recent Switch reveal video is enough to make you purchase it. During the Wii U years, there were many comments made about regretting a purchase or buying it early. As such, what is the current mindset of users here. Has Nintendo done enough to alleviate worries after the Wii U or caused more?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 01:52:17 PM
Day one.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2016, 02:00:05 PM
There's nothing exciting about the hardware or controller, it's missing fun stuff from previous systems, so I'm going to need to see a big list of good games to get me interested or excited. The tiny bit of Mario looks promising so far, but that's it. I need more. Much more.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 02:01:33 PM
I'll most likely buy it Day 1 but I want to see more. I chose "Bait and Switch" because I'm still on the post reveal euphoria.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2016, 02:05:14 PM
I normally don't buy day one, but I'm in the unique position where my only concern is playing BotW. As I see it, it's either I buy a Wii U or a Switch. I think it's a pretty easy decision for me; I'll take Zelda to go.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: lolmonade on October 20, 2016, 02:07:20 PM
I'll end up getting it, but probably not until there's a decent log of games to get and an indication that there'll be good ongoing flow of titles.  Depending on how different/better it is on Switch, I might wait on Breath of the Wild until I get one.


Fortunately, I have plenty of games to play through in the meantime, and it'll give me a chance to shore up any Wii U Titles I'm curious about but haven't gotten the chance to acquire.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
I go through this literally every generation I've had money to buy hardware on my own. It's easy for me to hold off on handhelds. I didn't get a DS or 3DS at launch because I'm not a handheld gamer. With consoles, I tried convincing myself I didn't want Wii and Wii U at launch then changed my mind close to release. I know better now. I'm planning on buying Switch at launch because that's where I project my head will be in March. The only difference is my gaming habits have changed so by chance, I can't procure one at launch, I'll get it when I get it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2016, 02:13:59 PM
I go through this literally every generation I've had money to buy hardware on my own. With consoles, I tried convincing myself I didn't want Wii and Wii U at launch then changed my mind close to release. I know better now. I'm planning on buying Switch at launch because that's where I project my head will be in March.
C'mon man, I know you have the willpower to resist! We believe in you!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Oedo on October 20, 2016, 02:22:42 PM
I've had fun with every major Nintendo home console and portable they've put out since the N64/Game Boy Color (obviously to varying degrees) and based on what we know so far I have no reason to believe the Switch will be any different. I'm in for day one, especially since it looks like they're really trying to put together a strong lineup of games for the launch window.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on October 20, 2016, 02:24:54 PM
I was a Wii U launch owner. I don't dislike the Wii U, but I'm growing tired of Nintendo's brand of late. I don't care at all for the detachable controllers. I don't care at all about the prospects of playing this thing with friends on the go. I just hope that this thing gets a ton of really good games. That'll seal the deal for me. Hopefully Nintendo has not compromised too much so that we can play face-to-face Mario Kart in the car at a roof top party.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ejamer on October 20, 2016, 02:35:26 PM
Huge backlog.
Limited entertainment budget.
Limited time available.


I (generally) like what I see from Switch, but it's still got a lot to prove and reality often doesn't live up to the hype from initial reveal trailers.  At this point, it's easy to say "wait and see".


Also, non-transferrable digital purchases are a huge disincentive for selling old hardware, which means I'm even less likely to upgrade day 1.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 02:43:25 PM
Again, I look at the rumored pricing. I look at my library of 19 Wii U games. I say, call me when there's a schedule of launch games and we'll talk. It's all smoke and mirrors as of right now.


As said before, I'm rapidly approaching the point where "social gaming" is becoming less viable to me, and while I appreciate the idea of the hybrid, it doesn't do all that much for me. I would rather see an extensive list of GAMES, not developers. I'd rather see a device that performs well, instead of performing differently. I'd also like my software from the previous generation to not become defunct immediately upon purchasing a new piece of hardware, which looks to be the case with all my physical Wii U discs.


So, I'll wait and see on this one.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: rygar on October 20, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Switched on. I'll buy it just for Skyrim and Breath of the Wild. Right now I hope to hold off for an attractive bundle or even a Black Friday sale, but if it ends up having more games that I've long wanted to play on handheld, I could see myself splurging earlier.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: KeyBilly on October 20, 2016, 02:47:09 PM
If it's $250 and my tax return is okay, I will likely get it at launch.  With a game, that would be $300, plus whatever the cost is for a pro controller if it's not included.  The Mario game looked like a tech demo, so I will presumably be aiming for Zelda and maybe Mario for Christmas.  If the price is a little higher, I will ask Santa for some help.  If the price is over $300 just for the console, I will wait for a price drop and maybe a special edition.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 20, 2016, 02:47:47 PM
Day one.
I'm just a big fan of this sort of thing. I still haven't upgraded to the new hotness of "the other" consoles (I have a PS3) and Red Dead Redemption 2 will probably get me there eventually, but I got a Wii U day one have enjoyed every minute of it, the ups and the downs, the delicious tears of so-called fans, etc.
So yeah, I knew I was buying even befroe the reveal. I suppose the reveal could have been so terrible that it would have changed my mind but that didn't happen. My mind could still be changed depending on if the nitty gritty details make this thing seem like an out-and-out clunker but as of right now, I'm in.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 20, 2016, 02:50:45 PM
I'd also like my software from the previous generation to not become defunct immediately upon purchasing a new piece of hardware, which looks to be the case with all my physical Wii U discs.
This makes zero sense. Why would purchasing a new thing make your discs defunct?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Order.RSS on October 20, 2016, 03:03:26 PM
Thought the reveal was done extremely well so this might be just hypetalk, but I'm leaning towards Day 1 here. If not then, it will be the exact day Beyond Good & Evil 2 launches on it (Ubisoft plzplzplzplz).

Huge backlog.
Limited entertainment budget.

These too are my only possible reasons for not diving in on day 1. I only got a Wii U this past January and while I'm certainly in a minority of gamers, it is quickly becoming my favourite system ever. A solid 25+ titles are still on my wishlist, which is more than I play in an entire year. It could keep me occupied for quite a while still, so the sensible thing to do would be wait a year for the Switch to accumulate a good library. But it looks so cool though...
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 03:08:45 PM
I'd also like my software from the previous generation to not become defunct immediately upon purchasing a new piece of hardware, which looks to be the case with all my physical Wii U discs.
This makes zero sense. Why would purchasing a new thing make your discs defunct?


Also, that's not really a Nintendo problem. It's not like you can play your PS3 discs on a PS4 and even Xbox360 compatible games don't run from the discs on Xbox One.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: alegoicoe on October 20, 2016, 03:15:02 PM
I'll get day one depending on the launch software, but i like the idea behind the system, its how the wiiu should've been all along
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 03:17:25 PM
I'd also like my software from the previous generation to not become defunct immediately upon purchasing a new piece of hardware, which looks to be the case with all my physical Wii U discs.
This makes zero sense. Why would purchasing a new thing make your discs defunct?
Because I pretty much exclusively buy Nintendo consoles at this point because I have a PC. I liked how they did Backwards Compatibility. Doesn't look like this is the case anymore.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 03:19:44 PM
That doesn't make the discs defunct. They'll still work on a Wii U.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 03:27:20 PM
That doesn't make the discs defunct. They'll still work on a Wii U.
Which I'll be ditching because I don't have shelf space for two gimmick-laden Nintendo consoles.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on October 20, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
Backwards compatibility died with the Wii U and was reborn in a new style with the Xbox One. That is how BC will work from now on.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 20, 2016, 03:29:31 PM
That doesn't make the discs defunct. They'll still work on a Wii U.
Which I'll be ditching because I don't have shelf space for two gimmick-laden Nintendo consoles.
Ah, so they'll be, like. defunct in your mind.
Yeah, right on, man, eff Nintendo for that, eh?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on October 20, 2016, 03:38:07 PM
That doesn't make the discs defunct. They'll still work on a Wii U.
Which I'll be ditching because I don't have shelf space for two gimmick-laden Nintendo consoles.
Ah, so they'll be, like. defunct in your mind.
Yeah, right on, man, eff Nintendo for that, eh?
I see that you're trying to make me sound like a moron by dismissing my opinion. I respect your decision.

I get it, Backwards Compatibility is dead, it exists in the digital space now. That's all well and good, except BC for Wii U might not even be in the cards because of the dual-screened nature. We haven't seen the new controller being used like a Gamepad yet, even though it's been rumored, but I'm just throwing it out there. I guess I had it coming, buying games on the Wii U knowing full-well they would be tied to that system, but that makes the realization of the Wii U being dead hurt a little bit more. I'm not angry at Nintendo, more at myself for jumping on board so quickly. That's why I'm not letting that happen a second time, hence the reason for my hesitation.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Kairon on October 20, 2016, 03:52:10 PM
No use in denying it, I'm a diehard Nintendo fan and I proactively plan and budget for Nintendo launches. The only question in my mind now is whether I buy one, or two (one for my younger brother).

That said, I DO want to see more details about launch games and general 1st year support. While I dig the concept, history shows that without the actual games to play, both 1st and 3rd party, things turn rather bleak rather quickly.

Also because I need to budget for launch games.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2016, 04:06:27 PM
I see that you're trying to make me sound like a moron by dismissing my opinion. I respect your decision.
You're not a moron. I get what you're saying now. To clarify, claiming your Wii U games are defunct is inaccurate which is what caused the confusion. You plan on ditching Wii U so you wouldn't be able to play the games anymore since Switch doesn't have an optical drive. You ridding yourself of a perfectly functional console doesn't render the games you're keeping non-functional which is what defunct means.

Considering so few games used the second screen aspect of the Gamepad effectively, I doubt it'll be difficult to bring those games to Switch.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Shaymin on October 20, 2016, 05:44:00 PM
Unless something happens between now and March, this'll be the first Nintendo home system I buy day 1.

Largely because I have to.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 20, 2016, 05:44:58 PM
I would have told you yesterday there was no way I wouldn't be picking up NX at launch and this reveal certainly hasn't dissuaded me from that.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 05:55:45 PM
I want to know more about the available library. If it has access to android stores than it's a day One purchase.
If it doesn't do that, it's probably a Christmas purchase.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 20, 2016, 06:05:51 PM
I'm conflicted, I'm super hyped for Switch but on the other hand I'm not impatient and I still have a bunch of games I have sitting unopened on systems I already own which I'm happy enough to chip away at while the Switch builds up a library. I'd put myself down as Switched On at this point, that could change as we get closer to launch though.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 20, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
That doesn't make the discs defunct. They'll still work on a Wii U.
Which I'll be ditching because I don't have shelf space for two gimmick-laden Nintendo consoles.
Ah, so they'll be, like. defunct in your mind.
Yeah, right on, man, eff Nintendo for that, eh?
I see that you're trying to make me sound like a moron by dismissing my opinion. I respect your decision.
Nah, just ribbing you a litle.  ;D
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on October 20, 2016, 06:07:47 PM
I will get it day one. The last Nintendo console I did that with was the Wii, which I had a LOT of hype for going in. Despite my eventual disappointment most of that stemmed from getting into HD gaming and Wii didn't satisfy that itch, I have a PS4 so this is an easier sell for me. I have been wanting a 3DS so if there is a slim chance this is compatible with 3DS games then its easily a day one.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2016, 06:12:18 PM
Depends on the price and the sku but I'll probably get 2. One for me for my commute and one to stay in the house for the kids. As long as we can share the dock i have no issue. 
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ejamer on October 20, 2016, 06:42:36 PM
Depending on how things are sold, this could be a nice piece of hardware for families. If consoles can share one dock then people can easily take turns playing their games, and the extra hardware might allow for some neat local multiplayer modes (similar to what you can do with the DS family now).


A potential downside would be if you have to buy an "all in" type package and end up with more stuff than you need... but even then, many families these days have multiple TVs.  It would be cool to have a dock at each TV and be able to relocate your gaming experience by literally taking it with you into the next room.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on October 21, 2016, 10:09:30 AM
Is this Back to the Future? What do you mean these days most houses have had multiple TV sets basically my entire life. We also have more than one computing machine, our own smart phone and most their own individual tablet. There is no way they don't find a way to sell this thing to families with multiple kids. But does each kid really need their own tablet for this if they can just sync up the Joy Con say to their smart phone and use that? There will be some solution I am positive and if its a separate machine like a 3dS 2 or something that has to have its own games this will be the same thing all over again.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: lolmonade on October 21, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
I don't know about that.  Granted, I don't know where my age falls in the average age range here, but growing up, my family only had one television until I was in my teens, and even then, it was because my aunt was getting divorced and wanted to get rid of a lot of her stuff from her first marriage, including their dusty old TV. 


I was sort of thinking a technology integrated home has been more prevalent over the last 10 or so years, but maybe it's a sign of how out of touch my home is set up compared to others today.  Got one TV with the systems hooked up in the living room, then a small tv in my bedroom with the dated consoles hooked up for when the kids are in bed and I want to be nearby in case they wake up.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on October 21, 2016, 10:33:51 AM
Sharing?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on October 21, 2016, 11:09:25 AM
Well just because your family had one TV doesn't mean that is normal. Hence why my reference to a film form 1985, when it was common for most American households to have more than one tv set. In fact I have never met anyone that has only 1 TV in their house, not in my entire life. Maybe some grandparents maybe but not families with kids.


Well I clearly referenced  a film from the 80's so it's been common at least since the 80's for most households to have more than one tv, in fact even check out the sitcoms you see on TV they all have more than one TV. It's less common TODAY because the TV has been replaced by tablets and smartphones.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 21, 2016, 11:21:04 AM
I believe I've gotten every post-SNES Nintendo console within the first six months, so I'd imagine that will be the case with Switch. ButI might be extra price sensitive this time around depending on how much I can get out of my N3DS stuff on trade-in. I'm really hoping the baseline Switch SKU is no more than $300, although if there was a BotW bundle for that price I'd probably readjust outlook to day one.

Although, I might just get Zelda fever anyway and make an unwise financial decision when March arrives.

As for backward compatibility, I wouldn't hold out much hope for digital versions of WiiU games. I do not think the Switch is going to be strong enough to emulate the previous architecture. Wii games might even be a stretch.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Caterkiller on October 22, 2016, 08:42:17 PM
I'm super duper hyper mega nick knack patty wack sold. Mainly because I know 99.9% of all
Of Nintendo's efforts will be placed into this thing! That other .1% will be mobile/quality of life stuff I may or may not jump into.

If we only get a single 2D Mario within a 5-6 year span I will be so super happy! No more lesser Smash Bros to keep my Ice Climbers at bay either!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2016, 09:21:03 PM
I can't say I'll be day 1, but I'm sure I'll own it before Xmas.

I don't game much anymore <read: casual phone gamer now>, but I have a knack for owning all the Nintendo systems (except for the Virtualboy).

I could still pick it up at launch, depending on if something gets me hyped, but as for now, I'm Sold, just not waiting in line to be first.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 22, 2016, 09:24:26 PM
I'm very excited for it, especially with the new 3D Mario since everything Tokyo EAD has done has been amazing but I'll probably wait a while before buying the system.  Right now my number one goal is to at least catch up on much of my backlog.  Basically I want to at least finish playing all my Wii U games before moving on to the Switch, which means it might not be until 2018 at the rate I'm going. :-\
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: TrueNerd on October 23, 2016, 01:08:12 PM
I'm 100% sold on it. I will get the Switch when the new Mario comes out. If that's a launch title, then I'm day one. If that's a November 2017 title, then I'm waiting a while. Unless BotW on Switch is the better version of the game. Then I'm day one regardless.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 23, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
I'm going to wait and see.  We don't know the price and the only launch game confirmed is Zelda and I see nothing here to suggest that this version will be better in any way than the Wii U version and I already own a Wii U so I don't need to buy a new console for that.  I only bought a Wii U last year and still have lots of games for that that I can give a go.  I'm interested in the new Mario but for all we know that game is a year away and the Switch could end up like the 3DS where there isn't much at first and a significant price cut occurs early on.  The Switch's very nature would also allow for potential alternate SKUs that are handheld-only or console-only.  I really only care about playing this at home so if I could save some money with a model that doesn't have the handheld portion that would work really well.

The PS4 is also starting to get some games that are attracting my interest.  With the PS4 Pro still on the way a PS4 purchase seems foolish right now.  So what sort of support will the Switch get?  If those PS4 games I'm interested in show up there then I would naturally prefer to go with Nintendo.  Since the Wii U is finished and presumably the 3DS is also getting replaced by the Switch I'm without a "current" videogame system and there are a lot of factors that go into the decision of what I go with.  Might as well wait.

But the answer is not a resounding "no" like it was with the Wii U, where I knew from day one I would only pick it up towards the end of its life if I could find it cheap (which I only sort of did since who knew the stupid design would prevent price drops).  This seems like it has a lot of potential and lacks a dumb gimmick that will infect the first party games.  I feel like with only a few exceptions Nintendo did not bugger up their Wii U games controls like they repeatedly did with the Wii but when it was first revealed I assumed they would have annoying touch controls grafted into every game.  With this?  What could they screw up regarding controls?  I can't see any Star Fox Zero like nonsense getting made here because the system's very design doesn't allow for it.  That makes me much more enthusiastic about it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ejamer on October 23, 2016, 07:49:32 PM
Well just because your family had one TV doesn't mean that is normal. Hence why my reference to a film form 1985, when it was common for most American households to have more than one tv set. In fact I have never met anyone that has only 1 TV in their house, not in my entire life. Maybe some grandparents maybe but not families with kids.

Well I clearly referenced  a film from the 80's so it's been common at least since the 80's for most households to have more than one tv, in fact even check out the sitcoms you see on TV they all have more than one TV. It's less common TODAY because the TV has been replaced by tablets and smartphones.


Dude, why are you being all snarky about an offhand comment? Sharing your experience is great, but you need to accept that your experience is only possible viewpoint that others have different experiences.

Not every family values TV enough to own multiple sets. Not every home has useful places to put multiple TVs. And as you yourself point out, streaming media is generally much more valuable today than an actual TV anyway.

Back to the Future wasn't a showcase of an average family life was like, it was a movie. Media awareness tip from someone who grew up in the 80s: don't assume that silly movies show an accurate portrayal of life for average families, regardless of what decade they were made in.


Edit: Truly sorry for the "young/foolish" comment. That was out of place, and now edited out.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Wah on October 23, 2016, 08:28:09 PM
It looks like a really expensive ds so far, but if the price is reasonable then yes I'll buy it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on October 23, 2016, 09:49:05 PM
whatever. ::)
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Wah on October 24, 2016, 06:07:59 AM
 :P:
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: lolmonade on October 24, 2016, 08:22:01 AM
Well just because your family had one TV doesn't mean that is normal. Hence why my reference to a film form 1985, when it was common for most American households to have more than one tv set. In fact I have never met anyone that has only 1 TV in their house, not in my entire life. Maybe some grandparents maybe but not families with kids.


Well I clearly referenced  a film from the 80's so it's been common at least since the 80's for most households to have more than one tv, in fact even check out the sitcoms you see on TV they all have more than one TV. It's less common TODAY because the TV has been replaced by tablets and smartphones.


Just giving my anecdotal experience  :D .  I fully accept my childhood could have been out of touch in comparison to my peers.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on October 24, 2016, 10:33:32 AM
 ;) I knew that.



Anyways, I decided for me this system is about games, period. I loved the Wii, at first, but the games not so much. I liked many of the games but didn't like all the controller options, not only was it confusing at times but there were games that would have been more enjoyable with a solid controller option that wasn't so divisive. I think this has a base option that should work for the majority of games.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on October 25, 2016, 09:42:07 PM
I just thought I'd update you all on how sold I am on the Switch. Since the initial reveal, I'm even less sold than I was the day after the reveal. It's sounding less (and less) likely that Nintendo is putting all its development efforts towards this platform. A majorly attractive selling point for me was getting all those 3DS efforts (if not the already existing games, then at least the future iterations of the handheld games) on this platform. Those titles or franchises were going to fill a lot of content gaps that Nintendo's console traditionally suffers.


Because Nintendo probably isn't truly unifying all their efforts into one platform, then I just can't see the third party handheld support coming over to the Switch. I mean it's not a handheld. It's a portable console. I was pretty much holding on for [the games] but I ain't holding my breath on games for this thing. Without [all those games] that we would see [from basically the unification of the two libraries], that leaves the Switch (itself) -- I'm actually pretty darn disappointed with Nintendo's big secret. If Emily Rogers is right about the specs, and she's very steadfast on those numbers, then I'm... I'm just underwhelmed.


As a home console it's what I didn't want: another Nintendo that is lagging a generation behind.


As a portable, it's going to get obliterated by the vast library of whatever Nintendo's current handheld is. I was hoping that the Switch would allow me to play some Pokemon or some Bravely on my TV. Can't even do that, eh? Eh?...


If this is what it is, I'll be sitting this one out.

Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on October 25, 2016, 10:11:37 PM
*Snip*
Yeah, they're nuts if they think they can pull off the Home/Portable balance again. At least, they're nuts if they think I'll buy into it.

However, your first mistake was thinking Nintendo could pull this off right. Your second was wanting to play Bravely Default.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 26, 2016, 01:57:51 AM
So Agent X are you assuming that Nintendo is going to continue to have a handheld line co-exist with the Switch?  What are you basing that on?

If they were to do that, the Switch will go nowhere.  Then it's just an underpowered console that competes with Nintendo's own proven handheld line.  Nintendo would be competing against itself.  That would be outrageously stupid.  But I don't think they would do that since they unified their handheld and console divisions beforehand and I have not heard anything to suggest that they'll do this.

Now they will support the 3DS for another year but it's normal to support the old system for a little bit after its replacement has been released... at least for successful systems.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 26, 2016, 02:42:36 AM
The only way there's a handheld successor (as in not a miniatured Switch SKU) is if the Switch bombs harder than the WiiU, and in that case all bets are off anyway about what happens to the games.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on October 27, 2016, 12:20:02 AM
So Agent X are you assuming that Nintendo is going to continue to have a handheld line co-exist with the Switch?  What are you basing that on?


Yeah, I'm fearful that Nintendo will try to keep the DS brand alive while using the Switch to the test the market.


I'm basing it off of this (http://nintendoeverything.com/rumor-nintendo-says-switch-is-a-home-console-successor-3ds-successor-coming-in-the-future/), which cites the source everyone else who is carrying the rumor is citing. It IS just a rumor, and I recall clearly that Nintendo had a third pillar strategy in mind with the DS. I'm also basing it off the fact that this Switch is not backwards compatible with the 3DS or the Wii U, and Nintendo is clearly pushing this as a home console and not a handheld. I feel strongly that they really should find a way to bridge those two libraries onto this new system, especially the 3DS.


It's as you say, Ian, that if they don't truly combine their efforts for this platform it probably won't get traction. Nintendo has a successful brand in the DS-line of game machines, and of course they know this. The Switch, on the other hand, is obviously a new brand for them that they want to try to rub some of the DS charm on while still selling it as a home console.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on October 28, 2016, 12:14:13 AM
Becoming a little more hopeful again. Micro SD slot rumor seems pretty solid. Even if Nintendo capped the upper limit at 32 GB per card, it's easy to carry multiple cards. Also sounds like DS/3DS backwards compatibility may not totally be out of the question.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on October 28, 2016, 10:32:12 AM
I thought the rumor said 128 GB cards were supported? Also no it's not easy to keep multiple cards around, I mean I am a photographer, I have multiple cards sure but they are for specific uses, I wouldn't want to have to keep track of my games cards too. I have 1 SD card I use in my Wii U for Wii stuff and 1 inside my Wii I used for Wii stuff, all the rest I swap out for photos. I take a lot of photos. But what happens when I am scrambling to grab an empty SD card and I pick up the one with my switch games, that could be a problem.


IF they allow support for up to 128 GB I will be getting 128 GB SD card just for this, whatever format it supports or requires. I am still hoping it will have at least that much internally but if reports are 32GB get confirmed then that could be disheartening. I don't think Hard drives will work but maybe they could support flash drives? At least with Flash Drives you can meet in the middle.
Otherwise it could be a return to the days where you ONLY keep the games you intend to play on hand and leave the rest at home? If nothing else it had better be able to run off the cards, I assume this will be the case since they fixed that for Wii and have allowed it ever since.

Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: lolmonade on October 28, 2016, 01:10:29 PM
Yeah, if that's the card limit, may as well keep buying physical games, how confusing would it be to remember which standard  microSD card carries which games?


IMO, there needs to be storage options that top-off at least up to 500 GB.  I never bothered with digital games outside of non-retail games because of how limited the storage was.  500 GB would at least provide an acceptable cap in the current console generation, but less than that, we're talking about a constraint where I won't bother with digital, once again, outside of virtual console.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 28, 2016, 02:18:49 PM
I also would not get my hopes up about any 3DS backwards compatibility. The won't include extra 3DS guts in this thing, nor will it likely be to emulate the 3DS.

As for the storage stuff, it's sounding more like the no external HD thing is true, which is troubling. I am personally more than fine with sticking to retail in order to be able to sell the games down the line, but for whatever reason more and more folks prefer to spend the same money on a license.

I do wonder if there will be some kind of middle ground, like you can't fridge games on an external dock HD, but you can download a bunch of junk like with Xenoblade X to improves textures and whatnot when playing at home.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on October 28, 2016, 04:29:47 PM
Y'all, I only brought up the memory size cap because the rumors regarding the SD card slot had stated that 128 GB was the present max capacity and that Nintendo could even go conservative on the Switch's supported max with 32 GB.


It would be a pain, but the only thing I am worried about is ability to support the games. It's all about the games. If the latest and greatest Battlefield needs 20 GB for patches and DLC, then storage to an SD card is fine.


Hopefully the sky will be the limit on SD cards.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2016, 05:50:49 PM
The official limit for SD card size on 3DS is 32 GB, but you can use higher capacity cards than tnat if you format them right. I imagine the Switch limit will be similar. 
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2016, 12:34:36 AM
there is no way Nintendo doesn't go with support for at least 128GB+ considering how cheap those cards are, and keep getting.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on October 29, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
For me personally I prefer to buy digital only when there is no physical option, like AVGN adventures, or when the disc is outrageously priced and the digital is a steal in comparison, like Xeno Blade Chronicles or Kirby Return to Dream Land.

But I have tons of Virtual Console games I flat out am not rebuying. If I can't get them transferred to the system in some way for free I am keeping my Wii U around until it dies. By then I likely won't care anymore. But game saves might be an issue. I don't ever buy DLC either, ever. If the game is not complete when I first buy it tough I buy a game when it releases if its not finished I play an incomplete game and base my experience off that.

The only exception is when DLC is free and unlocked in game like Amiibo or something similar, like e-reader. I give it a shop for fun/our of curiosity and then move on. Of course I am not the representative of the gaming community as a whole but I probably fit into the target demo they are trying to reach more than the people who buy everything they make anyways. Even if only slightly so.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on October 30, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
I don't disagree with you supermario2k, but then some DLC really extends the life of the game such as with Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. I like the possibility of additional game maps, tracks, and the like. If it feels like a game is somehow incomplete without it, then I won't buy the game without all the additional content included. As it is, there is a tendency for people like me to wait for GotY or Complete editions of games known to have really deep expansions (Fallout, Elder Scrolls etc).


It does kind of suck having to wait for the full game while everyone else is digging into and talking about it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on October 30, 2016, 06:16:45 PM
I find myself wavering once more. I just can't get comfortable with this concept. I've been reading waaaay too much GAF and looking back at Emily Rogers' latest ramblings. I find with each piece of information she confirms, our levels of enthusiasm (mine and hers) are at opposite ends.


Let's get down to brace tacks with this Frankenstein game machine. Nintendo calls it a home console first, but we all recognize this for what it is actually is: a portable. It's in a portable form factor. There is no denying that the meat and guts are in the tablet--therefore we're looking at mobile hardware, mobile power constraints, and mobile cooling. What we know for sure is that this is a custom Nvidia Tegra SoC and the leaked dev kits reveal a modified Tegra X1. My gut says expect an X1 in the retail package just like the retail package is likely to contain 4 GB of memory and, unfortunately, a paltry 32 GB of internal storage. I'm also seeing tweets that Nintendo is recommending developers go with 16 GB game carts.


Anyway we slice this, I'm getting serious doubts that this device will handle full ports of current X1/PS4 games let alone next year's games. For this device to have anything resembling third party success, it will come in the form of handheld, mobile, and portable support as I just don't see the latest and greatest AAA titles from anybody but Nintendo landing on this platform.


Since that's the case, I'll pick one up for $200 for the first full fledged Pokemon game that takes advantage of the hardware. Until then, I'm about ready to tell Nintendo to take a f--kin' hike. I must apologize as I take my Nintendo gaming just a little too seriously. My expectations for Nintendo do not align with their own expectations, which probably means I'm not their customer anymore. Sucks because they were making so many of the games I actually enjoyed, but today not so much anymore and for that matter none of the money sucking publishers out there are either. /ramble
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on October 31, 2016, 11:04:56 AM
I find myself wavering once more. I just can't get comfortable with this concept. I've been reading waaaay too much GAF and looking back at Emily Rogers' latest ramblings. I find with each piece of information she confirms, our levels of enthusiasm (mine and hers) are at opposite ends.


Let's get down to brace tacks with this Frankenstein game machine. Nintendo calls it a home console first, but we all recognize this for what it is actually is: a portable. It's in a portable form factor. There is no denying that the meat and guts are in the tablet--therefore we're looking at mobile hardware, mobile power constraints, and mobile cooling. What we know for sure is that this is a custom Nvidia Tegra SoC and the leaked dev kits reveal a modified Tegra X1. My gut says expect an X1 in the retail package just like the retail package is likely to contain 4 GB of memory and, unfortunately, a paltry 32 GB of internal storage. I'm also seeing tweets that Nintendo is recommending developers go with 16 GB game carts.


Anyway we slice this, I'm getting serious doubts that this device will handle full ports of current X1/PS4 games let alone next year's games. For this device to have anything resembling third party success, it will come in the form of handheld, mobile, and portable support as I just don't see the latest and greatest AAA titles from anybody but Nintendo landing on this platform.


Since that's the case, I'll pick one up for $200 for the first full fledged Pokemon game that takes advantage of the hardware. Until then, I'm about ready to tell Nintendo to take a f--kin' hike. I must apologize as I take my Nintendo gaming just a little too seriously. My expectations for Nintendo do not align with their own expectations, which probably means I'm not their customer anymore. Sucks because they were making so many of the games I actually enjoyed, but today not so much anymore and for that matter none of the money sucking publishers out there are either. /ramble

I get what you are saying but I think you are missing the point entirely.

Let me try it this way. Did the GBA get current ports of PS2 games? Yes, it very much did. Were they on the same level as the PS2, no they very much weren't. People still bought them. Nintendo has conceded the home console space to Sony and Microsoft, I think they are wise to do this. As it stands there literally isn't room in the market for three consoles. So it doesn't make sense to think of this as a console. Nintendo wants to sell it as a mobile machine that is also a console. and I think that is what makes this brilliant and why it will work.

Unlike the GBA to PS2 comparison this thing will be closer in power to the competition. No it will not be current enough to do the exact same games PS4 does at the exact same level of tech, but that is the point, these will not be the exact same versions of those games they will be completely tailored to this play style.

If you look at the DS library again you will see games that were released by major third parties that snubbed even the best selling Wii. those "gamer" games that people loved that skipped the Wii still found a home on the DS. Again while the Wii U has floundered, flopped, fizzled, whatever term you want to use, the 3DS has continued to gain support from gamers and game makers alike.

What makes this this potentially so great isn't just that it could have more games from everyone, but that it will not be the exact same iteration of those games. Think of it like this, mobile games the tablet games, tend to be either watered down ports or stripped to their core game, with as much extras as you can squeeze into this. The target demographic are gamers who want to game on the go, who enjoy the mobile offerings like Pokemon, the touch based games, even those Candy Crush and Angry Birds games, who also want to sit in the living room and play a game on their TV set.

Nintendo needs to sell this to the same crowd, the same gamers, that picked up a Game Cube for the exclusives *and* a GBA for those games. That crowd is smaller than the handheld only gamers and smaller than the console only gamers. But if you combine them into one userbase, one fanbase you get a much larger number.

I recently wrote an overly enthusiastic, somewhat rushed, blog post that spells it out with some sarcasm if you can handle sarcasm please read my blog post, here (https://phatrat1982.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/why-to-be-excited-for-the-nintendo-switch/).

If you think of this thing as a home console you take on the go, it will disappoint. The gamers who want an Xbox or a PS4 are already sold on that, they aren't in the market for a Nintendo home console, that is the point. Many of them will still buy the Nintendo handheld on the side. So if you consider that, historically, the Nintendo gamer has also been the same as the Sony gamer, for many people the combination is PS console for the living room and Nintendo handheld for on the go. Sony tried to make the PSP a thing but Nintendo pushed them out of that market. This will still sell to those gamers. Why? Well because the Sony Playstation is an extension of what Nintendo started with the SNES. Despite the negative crap Perm likes to say, Playstation is more Nintendo than Nintendo sometimes. The point is most gamers flock to Playstation because it does offer them the games they expect from Nintendo, but the one thing it lacks is Nintendo 1st party games. Gamers also want those games so even the ones who do buy a Playstation still buy the Nintendo as the second console. That is what this is, the hand held console they usually buy anyways. So there is still that segment of the market.

Try to think of it like this, PS3 *AND* Wii was a thing, PS3 *AND* DS was also a thing, but PS3 + Wii + DS was less likely. PS2 + GameCube was a small market, but PS2 + GBA was not. If you think of Nintendo as an AND company they work but not AND plus. In other words most gamers will buy two machines, the home console of their choice *AND* a Nintendo machine, many will pick the handheld Nintendo over the console Nintendo but most will STILL buy a Nintendo, its the same market. Its the reason why many beg for Nintendo to go 3rd party. Now if all Nintendo is doing is making ONE machine that plays all of their games, and it follows the same pattern as the handheld, as in exclusive versions of games that fit the on the go lifestyle but feature just enough of the core game to keep you interested, it will still sell like mad. It just will.

Until this generation Nintendo's entire market share, console + handheld, has increased every generation, while the Home console market decreases the handheld typically increases enough to make up for those loses, or they remain relatively steady. By my numbers if you look at every generation there has always been a core base of about 90 million Nintendo gamers, but that number is usually split between two machines. So to the 3rd party developer its a gamble where to put the games. But a combined 90 million with a clear message and specs that developers can get behind will get the games.

Will it have the same Tomb Raider as the other two? No, I hope not, I have a PS4 for that. Most people do, or an Xbox 1. It will have its very own exclusive Tomb Raider that is tailor made for the Nintendo play style.
This didn't work as well for Wii because it wasn't just under powered, it was a whole generation behind in screen tech, as in it  was SD when the entire world was HD. This will be HD, this will be powerful enough to run the mobile versions of games that companies will gamble on because their cheaper to make, this will attract the same gamers every Nintendo generation does and it will have an exclusive library that has similar games to the other two but different enough that it will be a must own for everyone, as in literally ever gamer out there is a potential customer because it serves all the bases.

The Nintendo only handheld gamer will buy this thing.
The Nintendo only console gamer will buy this thing.
The Other console + Nintendo console gamer will buy this thing.
The Other console + Nintendo handheld gamer will buy this thing.
The PC gamer + Nintendo handheld gamer will buy this thing.
The PC gamer + Nintendo console gamer will buy this thing.
Plus this has the added bonus that if it has the right apps, which I suspect it will, Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu, and a workable web browser, this will also steal market share from the Kindle Fire and other gaming tablet gamers as well.

This thing has the potential to sell in the 200 million numbers. Am I being overly optimistic? No, I think that what you will see is this will to everyone from past generations especially once they get their hands on the games. Will this be anyones ONLY system, sure the Nintendo only gamer who buys both the console and the handheld, which is the core userbase, that core userbase is about 55 million standard, as in Nintendo is sitting on 55 million people who will buy this no matter what, the rest only need a small push, games and a fair price.

If you look at this as a PS4 that plays PS4 level games it looks bad, it looks gimped, it looks missing features. But compare this to an iPad. Not a PS4 and iPad. That is what this is, Nintendo's iPad. THAT should have everyone more excited than this. Does the iPad support SD cards? No, it relies exclusively on usually 32GB storage and the cloud, and yet it has no trouble selling to the masses.
This solves all the problems of that. iPad is digital only so it has storage limitation, this is physical and digital. So look at it this way, if games will come on 16GB pr 32 GB cards, carts, whatever you want to call them, that eliminates the need for a hard drive to install the game, because installs fix the problem of long load times that are NOT present on card systems, so that means mandatory installs are gone.
If you think of this as a tablet, as a replacement for 3DS look at the 3DS model, the games will be smaller versions, they will have good graphics but not home console graphics, gamers will get those on PC, PS4 and Xbox 1 anyways, this machine is a gateway to the Nintendo games and the handheld exclusives that always get made, the Castlevania games that don't get released on the consoles, the Mega Man and Monster Hunter games that don't get released on consoles, also if they market this as a handheld that hooks up to the TV, they can do legal loop holes that allow console exlusives to still come to this, so say FF15 is PS4 exclusive, or whatever game take your pick, Nintendo can, and will, still get a version for the Switch as it isn't a console its a handheld, actually its a tablet so that solves all their problems.

I think the people who do see this are the ones that are excited, the ones that don't are still trying to figure out what this is.
I will predict easily 150 million total sales life time, in 5 years. It might do better but I think that is easily where it will do. This will sit in the SAME homes as PS4, PC, and XBox consoles so its not  just another Nintendo home console that won't sell, its a Nintendo brand iPad that plays Mario, Pokeomon, and Monster Hunter, it WILL SELL.

If they botch this and STILL make a separate 3DS successor **** them and boycott this piece of **** and pray they go out of business because that would be a dick move, to give the gaming market EXACTLY what they have been asking for and then say nope sorry just Wii U 2.0. The people that see this as a reverse Wii U, I think, are missing a piece of the equation. Maybe I am a nut with no idea what I am talking about, who knows, but I am not looking at this as a Wii U that I can take on the go. I am looking at this as an iPad that plays Nintendo games and can turn into a Wii U or a 3DS and as long as it is priced fair its going to sell as fast as they can make them, its going to sell faster than they can make them but that's another discussion.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: KeyBilly on October 31, 2016, 12:51:37 PM
Hurray for walls of text!  It's fun to read and well thought out.

I agree that the main issue with perception comes from seeing this as a weak console rather than a forward-thinking mobile device.  At the same time, I disagree that this isn't a "reverse Wii U."  To me, this is what they had in mind with the Wii U concept, but were unable to achieve.  They finally gave a dominant company (NVidia) control over most aspects of the hardware, and it looks like it is going to pay off.

I still mourn Nintendo's exit from the bigger production values of a leading console, but the funeral was a couple years ago and I am ready to give this new concept a chance.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on October 31, 2016, 10:05:10 PM
I get what you are saying but I think you are missing the point entirely.

Let me try it this way. Did the GBA get current ports of PS2 games? Yes, it very much did.


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If they botch this and STILL make a separate 3DS successor **** them and boycott this piece of **** and pray they go out of business because that would be a dick move, to give the gaming market EXACTLY what they have been asking for and then say nope sorry just Wii U 2.0. The people that see this as a reverse Wii U, I think, are missing a piece of the equation. Maybe I am a nut with no idea what I am talking about, who knows, but I am not looking at this as a Wii U that I can take on the go. I am looking at this as an iPad that plays Nintendo games and can turn into a Wii U or a 3DS and as long as it is priced fair its going to sell as fast as they can make them, its going to sell faster than they can make them but that's another discussion.


I think you do get what I'm saying, especially in your last paragraph. I believe I covered everything you mentioned when I referred to the type of support Switch is likely to receive: handheld, mobile, and portable. I think they will find dwindling amounts of handheld support because developing for the 3DS proved to be too expensive for most 3rd parties, hence no Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, or Battlefield, etc. Getting closer to XB1 and PS4 is only going to be more expensive unless they can stay near enough to those platforms that porting is super cheap and easy to do. Once publishers see it as a significant monetary investment, you will see them turn a blind eye to supporting older technology (see: PS3, X360, Wii U). Mobile is an interesting market as the tech remains current enough to support current assets but the game design is so basic and shallow that the games cost very little to produce while offering a safe ROI through ads and micro-transactions. The only way I see such mobile support finding its way onto the Switch is if Android is at the heart of this machine OR Nintendo offers a very easy method to port the software and ads/micro-transactions are welcome.


I stand by my growing disappointment in this "home console first" game machine, because I don't think it will keep pace with even the first iteration XB1 or PS4. I see this machine arriving to market with an initial wave of 3rd party support followed by a potentially long and maybe never-ending third party drought. Only if Nintendo intends to sell the Switch to Pokemon fans will I see this platform having a second and maybe third wind. This would mean, of course, killing the 3DS brand--I'm just not so sure that Nintendo is so sold on the Switch that they are confident enough to kill the 3DS. We all wondered why NS details were sparse to non-existent, well wonder no further than the 3DS whose sales stand to suffer immensely once the NS begins dominating Nintendo news. This Christmas is all about the 3DS. The Switch can go ---- itself till next January.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 31, 2016, 11:06:58 PM
Don't be fooled. It's a Home Portable.

Nintendo is using this to slide kick the Wii U out of everyone's consciousness and retail space. At the same time not wanting to pre-maturely pull the rug out from underneath the 3DS.

If this takes off, the the 3DS will slowly be phased out, and what will likely happen somewhere down the line, is there will be a new more powerful Home Console that uses the same cartridges, isn't portable, but also works as a charging dock and instant TV out for your Switch. [queue up my old hybrid ideas from however many years ago that was ;)]
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2016, 11:56:51 PM
I skipped the Wii U, and if Nintendo wants me to think about the Switch it needs to deliver a comprehensive product.  Something that as an older NINTENDO FAN, I will be happy with.  The Switch seems to have the components I want...but the price, the power, the games how Nintendo decides to handle the Virtual Console, all of that is important to me.

So let's see what Nintendo does...and if it is great I will buy it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: MagicCow64 on November 01, 2016, 12:17:24 AM
What I think some of this speculation about the Home/Portable question misses is that Nintendo's not going to be able to magic up some 4DS device out of thin air should the Switch flop. These things are in development pretty much from the moment the previous console releases. They'd have to be knee-deep in 4DS R&D already to plausibly have something ready to roll in 2018 to replace the Switch. And they'd have to call it on the Switch after Christmas 2017, less than a year after launch.

So, I'm skeptical. I think if the Switch crashes and burns it's going to lead to a pretty massive corporate shake-up and priority shift. Alternatively, they may not be in a position to let the Switch fail, which could lead to another Gamecube generation.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on November 01, 2016, 12:37:59 AM
It'd be a real mistake to release a 3DS successor anytime soon. In fact, the only thing they should release if they really want to is a slicker 3DS that is compatible as a controller for the Switch, and possible Wii U compatibility controller. That's it.

It's all about the switch now. Nintendo cannot afford two terrible console offerings in a row. It'll tank their stock. They need to focus all their effort on making it popular. This is only the beginning of the switch line after all, and will likely continue to get upgrades in the same vein as the DS and 3DS.

This is a strategy that will always put a focus on their hardware efforts as they become better, slicker hybrid consoles. While other consoles will focus on VR and prettier graphics, Nintendo is free to reign in the space between a console and a cell phone alone, churning out games that rival both sides.

And that's ultimately why this strategy will work. Nintendo will be able to bring together all their resources to one machine while they wait for other console manufacturers and indie developers to innovate in each tighter, more aggressive space; because unless it's raw graphical output, Nintendo can always add the capability to their system with a software update after the fact.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on November 01, 2016, 01:30:44 AM
These are some interesting ideas. I would like to see Nintendo do something truly amazing. Even though I'm down on what they've shown of the Switch, I do think the best is still to come with their full reveal in January. I'm sure they have some more cool features. Maybe Cloud saves so you can drop a game from your Switch and download another from your library along with you save files. Personally, I'm holding out hope for 3DS games from day-1 plus an extensive back catalog of GBA, GameCube, and DS games--no more trickling of old games, please, just give us the goods in batches of 8 or more every couple of weeks.


Even though I'm underwhelmed so far, there's a lot Nintendo can do right with their SaaS that would win me over. Even if they finally got the online stuff right and had a huge initial offering of back catalog games from day-1, I think I'd be sold.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on November 01, 2016, 02:33:46 AM
No it will not be current enough to do the exact same games PS4 does at the exact same level of tech, but that is the point, these will not be the exact same versions of those games they will be completely tailored to this play style.

...

Will it have the same Tomb Raider as the other two? No, I hope not, I have a PS4 for that. Most people do, or an Xbox 1. It will have its very own exclusive Tomb Raider that is tailor made for the Nintendo play style.

This is doing a fantastic job of destroying my enthusiasm for the Switch.  "Nintendo tailored" third party games are ****.  That drove me up the wall with the Wii - give the PS360 owners the REAL game while some the B team pumps out some dumbed down nonsense for the Nintendo audience.  If it works like this we'll get some shovelware spin-offs at first and then those wont' sell for obvious reasons and we'll be right back to nothing but first party games.

I'll want to replace the 3DS anyway but then the Switch has to get the sort of third party games that the 3DS gets, if those types of games even get made anymore as they tend to be quirky smaller budget Japanese games.  But then the price matters a lot more to me then it does if it actually pulls of the hybrid concept.  If it's getting decent third party support on the console front while being a good 3DS successor then the price can be higher.  If a PS4 or XB1 purchase is still essentially mandatory to get a proper console experience then it has to be real cheap.

But then a game like Persona V was made for the PS4 and PS3 so why couldn't it show up on the Switch?  Or something like Dragon Quest Builders was also on the Vita so why wouldn't it work?  The Switch could easily get games like that without it being some Nintendo tailored title.  It could be the same title but maybe it doesn't look quite as nice.  I would be sold on the Switch if I get most of the same games the other consoles get and maybe they don't look quite as nice but that's acceptable to achieve portability and then I get Nintendo first party games as well.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on November 01, 2016, 02:49:35 AM
It could be the same title but maybe it doesn't look quite as nice.  I would be sold on the Switch if I get most of the same games the other consoles get and maybe they don't look quite as nice but that's acceptable to achieve portability and then I get Nintendo first party games as well.

I think this is what everyone is hoping for; a level of competency and power that attracts the same third party efforts.

I wonder, though. If the Nintendo Switch were to be an outstanding success, would third parties support it even if porting were easy? A runaway success for Nintendo pretty much confirms an incredible line-up of games and the best first party games on other consoles aren't nearly as intimidating to sell your wares next to as a competent Nintendo line-up. Would you rather go against Uncharted or Zelda? Mario or Rachet and Clank? Smash Bros. or God of War?

We all want Nintendo to be a capable company that serves up countless creative and timeless games, and maybe that is actually what scares third-parties the most.

Maybe Nintendo shouldn't worry about major third party support as they well never truly give it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: supermario2k on November 01, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
No it will not be current enough to do the exact same games PS4 does at the exact same level of tech, but that is the point, these will not be the exact same versions of those games they will be completely tailored to this play style.

...

Will it have the same Tomb Raider as the other two? No, I hope not, I have a PS4 for that. Most people do, or an Xbox 1. It will have its very own exclusive Tomb Raider that is tailor made for the Nintendo play style.

This is doing a fantastic job of destroying my enthusiasm for the Switch.  "Nintendo tailored" third party games are ****.  That drove me up the wall with the Wii - give the PS360 owners the REAL game while some the B team pumps out some dumbed down nonsense for the Nintendo audience.  If it works like this we'll get some shovelware spin-offs at first and then those wont' sell for obvious reasons and we'll be right back to nothing but first party games.

I'll want to replace the 3DS anyway but then the Switch has to get the sort of third party games that the 3DS gets, if those types of games even get made anymore as they tend to be quirky smaller budget Japanese games.  But then the price matters a lot more to me then it does if it actually pulls of the hybrid concept.  If it's getting decent third party support on the console front while being a good 3DS successor then the price can be higher.  If a PS4 or XB1 purchase is still essentially mandatory to get a proper console experience then it has to be real cheap.

But then a game like Persona V was made for the PS4 and PS3 so why couldn't it show up on the Switch?  Or something like Dragon Quest Builders was also on the Vita so why wouldn't it work?  The Switch could easily get games like that without it being some Nintendo tailored title.  It could be the same title but maybe it doesn't look quite as nice.  I would be sold on the Switch if I get most of the same games the other consoles get and maybe they don't look quite as nice but that's acceptable to achieve portability and then I get Nintendo first party games as well.

Probably because you ALREADY OWN a PS4 and you will play those full versions there? Nintendo is an AND console, deal with it that is the reality. Switch is not going to change that. What it is going to change is the output of games, that's it. If ALL you want is the exact same games  you can ALREADY get on PS4 then why bother? I mean that makes no sense Ian, it sounds like you just want to own a Nintendo branded Playstation, but you still buy Playstation.

You proved my point Ian, you are the very customer that still buys the Nintendo handheld for the Nintendo games and picks up the Playstation console for the Playstation games, are you really going to sit there and tell me, US, the whole world that you will suddenly sell your Playstation for the Switch? No you are not you are going to own both machines, the Playstation will be your HOME console, the Switch will be your handheld but it doubles as a home console.

I get the impression some people still think that Nintendo is going to get back to SNES levels of dominance, that will never happen, they got that way ILLEGALLY, it would be impossible for them to get back, even if they made a PS4 clone spec wise, or a PS5 clone spec wise. This is the best they can do, if you STILL just want Mario games on a PS4, then get in touch with those Dolphin hackers and contribute to the coding of a PS4 emulator to play Mario games.
Ian you yourself compared this to Wii and then started talking about 3DS, do you own a 3DS or not? Are you not one of the vocal champions of how great it is? It sounds to me like this is exactly what you want but then you say you just want a PS4 that plays Nintendo games. But you already own a PS4. Its still a separate market. Its the AND console but this time it will reach more people because this time it combines the handheld, oh god I give up. forget it.

I don't how this is so hard to grasp. Especially the same people who sit here and say they don't want to buy a PS4 because they aren't into the games but they want the Nintendo to HAVE those games! I mean grr that is damn frustrating.

The ENTIRE issue has always and ONLY been lack of games. NOBODY is going to buy a Machine that just plays the SAME GAMES, they either 1, already can play on their Playstation machine, or 2, aren't interested in the first place! I mean I THOUGHT you all wanted more 3rd party support, I THOUGHT that meant more games that play like Nintendo games and more games from companies that bring the mainstream stuff over but tailor it for the console. I don't mean cut features Ian, I mean like they always do make the game that works on this machine. This machine that will have a Street Fighter when even Xbox can't get that, because of the legal loop hole. Oh but you don't want Street Fighter because you already have it on PS5 you just want it to EXIST on Switch because...!??!?!?

If this was a Home console yes you would want the home console games but Nintendo lost that battle, even the massively successful Wii still didn't get the SAME games it got Wii games. This is going to be that but closer in specs. We don't know how powerful it will be, it might even be like you just said a situation where it gets the PS3 port scaled UP! HELLO are you not see how this is different!? This is GOING to have 3rd party support, this is the HAND HELD levels of support and console levels combined, how is that not resonating?

You touched on it with the combined teams, but you seem to be ignoring that 3rd parties will still bring their games to this thing if it sells and you know what if you just want the EXACT same games that are on the PS4 then buy a fucking PS4 and get this later.

This is NOT Game Cube this is NOT Wii this is a NEW DS that hooks to your TV.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on November 01, 2016, 03:24:27 PM
I actually don't own a PS4 so, no, presently I wouldn't be buying third party games on that console unless the Switch is so inadequate that I feel compelled to buy one.  The PS3 is the only non-Nintendo system I ever bought while it was still a current system because the Wii was such a letdown.  Everything else was purchased on the way out to get cheap access to games I missed out on.  To me the whole hook of something like the Switch is that you no longer have to buy a handheld and a console.  Now you just buy one.  That's the selling point.  If we still feel like we have to buy two systems then Nintendo has flubbed the concept.

Yeah I guess if I have to buy the Switch and PS4 and it costs the same as my 3DS/Wii U combination did then I guess I'm in the same boat I was in before and would get a better lineup out of it.  I think the Switch can do better than that though.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on November 02, 2016, 12:09:24 AM
Switch may have more "...surprises which are not possible with existing gaming devices."

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/161028e.pdf (https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/161028e.pdf)
Quote
Q2:...Also, what do you think is the reason that major third-party publishers, who did not provide as much support for Wii U, are now willing to support Nintendo Switch?

A2 Kimishima: ...As for third-party support, we believe that third-party publishers have been able to realize that Nintendo Switch offers a chance to create new and exciting surprises which are not possible with existing gaming devices.

Q3: Your Financial Highlights document reads “Nintendo Switch offers a wholly new concept,” but from what I saw in the introductory video, the only difference I was able to notice was that I will be able to play existing game franchises such as Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart and Splatoon in other places than today. I would like Mr. Kimishima to share his impressions of his experiences playing the prototype Nintendo Switch himself, including how new it is.

A4 Kimishima: Although you are asking what exactly is new about Nintendo Switch, we cannot share any details today other than what we have already shown in the introductory video. On the other hand, although I understand that I am fairly old compared to the main gaming demographic and that it is supposed to be very challenging to develop a gaming system which will be able to persuade my generation of people to play, knowing about the variety of plans that we have not announced via the introductory video, including the software lineup, I would like you to know that I myself am very much looking forward to the launch of Nintendo Switch. I also hope that all of you can experience the system for yourselves in January.

Que Ian's worried face.


Not sure what he's talking about that can't be done with consoles and handhelds now. My guess is that it has to do with the Joycons. There's still plenty of questions left there and I don't see them shoehorning another gimmick in there. I could be wrong though.

Also, sounds like Kimishima is pretty jazzed for it, despite being "fairly old compared to the main demographic".
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2016, 12:47:55 AM
I figured there had to be more to it than the obvious that wasn't shown.

I love what they did show in the reveal video.
I know the obvious that they didn't need to show (.... touchscreen, etc etc).
and I'm excited to find out what it was that they couldn't show yet, because I knew there was more to it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on November 02, 2016, 02:12:41 AM
In spite of what a lot of knowledgeable people are saying regarding the Switch's potential for VR, I actually see the Switch as being very VR "ready" simply because the tablet can have a visor attachment and the joycon controllers will probably support motion controls.


That seems like a very likely fit.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on November 02, 2016, 01:15:20 PM
Maybe the secret feature is the modular controllers we've already talked about.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on November 02, 2016, 01:24:57 PM
I think the Switch is going to have this balancing act between price, hardware power and battery life.  You fiddle with one and the others have to adjust and getting any of those three wrong could make the difference between success and failure.  So if Nintendo has any extra features to still reveal how do they affect those three things I mentioned?  Because if compromises have to be made to any of them to accommodate Feature X then X better be something pretty amazing and essential and not just turned off and forgotten about like glasses-free 3D.

The thing that is kind of annoying is the idea that Nintendo would feel they NEED a gimmick.  It already has one - it's a handheld AND a console in one.  That's it.  That's the hook and it's easy to market and it makes the system stand out.  No other gimmick is necessary to get people on board.  Nintendo should run with the hybrid design and seek to do it as well as possible and not risk buggering that up with unneeded nonsense.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 02, 2016, 02:54:49 PM
Quote
Switch may have more "...surprises which are not possible with existing gaming devices."
Not sure what he's talking about that can't be done with consoles and handhelds now. My guess is that it has to do with the Joycons.

They're small enough that you can shove 'em up your arse to play WarioWare minigames.
Surprise!
 ;D
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2016, 03:55:06 PM
So it looks like we have 28 blind fanboys. :P
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 02, 2016, 04:12:04 PM
The Wii U was a failure on pretty much every level and I still loved the thing and in no way regret paying full price day one for it. I figure there's pretty much no way Nintendo fucks up the Switch even worse, so I'm very confident I'll be good there too.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on November 02, 2016, 05:03:38 PM
So it looks like we have 28 blind fanboys. :P

Plus, the 11 that fully plan to get it just not on Day 1. Not enough Switch-hitters for my liking though...

What I'm curious about is who the Switching Gears person is? Who is the one No? I'm wondering if it might be Stevey because he seemed to be disappointed in the reveal of Nvidia in the specs of the machine. Or is it Agent X who sometimes seems to waver between being interested in the system or rejecting it completely in these comments? What makes the "no" voter so down on the system?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Shaymin on November 02, 2016, 07:13:51 PM
So it looks like we have 28 blind fanboys. :P: :

* 27 blind fanboys and one person who has to buy it for coverage
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on November 02, 2016, 08:31:43 PM
I would never rule out a Nintendo console. Hell, I will probably own a Switch before the end of 2017, if it gets a game I feel that I absolutely NEED to play. But Splat2n, Mario Kart 8.5, and Zelda on Switch won't be those games.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on November 02, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
So it looks like we have 28 blind fanboys. :P:

Plus, the 11 that fully plan to get it just not on Day 1. Not enough Switch-hitters for my liking though...

What I'm curious about is who the Switching Gears person is? Who is the one No? I'm wondering if it might be Stevey because he seemed to be disappointed in the reveal of Nvidia in the specs of the machine. Or is it Agent X who sometimes seems to waver between being interested in the system or rejecting it completely in these comments? What makes the "no" voter so down on the system?


:)


What makes me so down on the system is that it seems to focus on the very same concepts that they did with the Wii U. When Nintendo chose the Wii U's design, they chose to compromise on graphics. Here again they are choosing to compromise on graphics for things that I don't care about.


There's still a chance that I will be won over. For the time being, though, I'm more likely to take my $300 and upgrade my video card. I'm not a fan of "And Nintendo" gaming, like some people appear to be. I want my games on the Nintendo, and the last time they had that was Gamecube.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: KeyBilly on November 03, 2016, 12:05:20 PM
"Here again they are choosing to compromise on graphics for things that I don't care about."

Even if you never remove the system from its dock, I think that you will still benefit greatly from the design choices.  It means that the best Nintendo-centric games, which often appear on handhelds, will all be available to play at home.  If Nintendo built a traditional system at a traditional price with zero new concepts, they would likely have terrible third party support and you will never get the quality of a gaming PC on a console.  If anything, the PS4 and XBone are pointless other than their exclusives if you care about graphical fidelity, good AI, etc.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on November 03, 2016, 12:21:31 PM
I'm not a fan of "And Nintendo" gaming, like some people appear to be. I want my games on the Nintendo, and the last time they had that was Gamecube.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Mop it up on November 03, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
So it looks like we have 28 blind fanboys. :P: :
* 27 blind fanboys and one person who has to buy it for coverage
...for a site at which you volunteer. ;)
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on November 03, 2016, 09:20:49 PM
I'm not a fan of "And Nintendo" gaming, like some people appear to be. I want my games on the Nintendo, and the last time they had that was Gamecube.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?


supermario2k basically says that Nintendo game machines are and will always be a second game machine purchase for anyone who wants to play something other than Nintendo published games. If you really want to play Madden (or pick a sport of your preference) then you have to buy a Playstation or Xbox. Well it wasn't like this for Gamecube, the last Nintendo console that got sports games and generally had third party support.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 03, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
I would kill to have sports games on the Switch, not just so I wouldn't have to own other systems (I already do), but to have the off-TV option. I loved having that ability with the one version of FIFA we got on Wii U, and I played a ton of MLB The Show through my Vita. It's great for sinking a ton of time into a franchise mode.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on November 04, 2016, 12:14:22 AM
I would kill to have sports games on the Switch, not just so I wouldn't have to own other systems (I already do), but to have the off-TV option. I loved having that ability with the one version of FIFA we got on Wii U, and I played a ton of MLB The Show through my Vita. It's great for sinking a ton of time into a franchise mode.


This is why I'm down on the Switch. I feel like Nintendo's home console gets very little in the way of sports games, and when they did (for Wii) the system was literally incapable of handling the games so they all had to be dumbed down.  :@


Hoping that the NS won't be like that. I don't want special versions of games for the portable.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ymeegod on November 04, 2016, 10:19:12 PM
I can see the Switch doing extremely well over in Japan since most of them game on the go anyhow but I really can't see it being a big hit in the NA or European markets.

This is going be expensive for a Nintendo handheld (the 3ds sales bombed in the beginning before the massive price cuts).

-----------

Doubt I'll get one before year 3 mostly just so I can play "Nintendo" games.  .
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2017, 12:29:47 AM
Here are the current poll results:

YES! Day 1 Purchase for me! (Switch Over)- 28 (46.7%)
I will at some point but not right away. (Switched On)- 11 (18.3%)
I'm not saying no but I need to see more info and games first. (Bait and Switch)- 13 (21.7%)
No. This is not what I want. I'm moving on to the competition. (Switch Gears)- 1 (1.7%)
I'm getting the NX with AMD chips and VR gameplay. (Asleep at the Switch)- 1 (1.7%)
I'm giving my money to Khushrenada to buy more entertaining posts. (Switch-hitter)- 6 (10%)

Anyone changing their vote after the presentation today?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on January 13, 2017, 12:31:42 AM
Joycons are 40 bucks a piece. HOLY ****.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ShyGuy on January 13, 2017, 12:36:46 AM
I am less sold...
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 12:40:27 AM
There are some cool games coming to the system. I am very adamant about Arms, personally. It looks awesome. I'll take more Splatoon if you give it to me. However, those trailers for SMT, FE Warriors, Xenoblade, and Octopath all have me super excited, but how far out are those games?

If I wasn't already getting one for specific reasons, I would hold off for a looooong time until those games came out.


P.S. Super Mario Odyssey looks hella fun.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on January 13, 2017, 12:45:03 AM
Walmart already sold out of pre-orders. ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 12:51:44 AM
Joycons are 40 bucks a piece. HOLY ****.
Worse. According to Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/nintendo-switch/2017/1/13/14261292/nintendo-switch-controller-ac-adapter-price-wheel), they're $50.

Individual Joycon: $49.99
Joycon pair: $79.99
Joycon Grip: $29.99
Pro Controller: $69.99
Additional dock with AC Adapter and HDMI cable: $79.99

Get the **** out of here, Nintendo.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: pokepal148 on January 13, 2017, 01:28:12 AM
I'm definitely not getting it at launch. I have enough of a backlog to keep me busy for now.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on January 13, 2017, 01:30:21 AM
Honestly....I'm not that sold anymore. And I don't know if I want to go out of my way to get one.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 01:34:33 AM
HA! Finally, the reality has sunk in on you overly optimistic people.

Oh, I'm buying the hell out of one. See, I just wanted to wait until you all SWITCHED your thoughts on it and did the same myself!


*snaps*
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 13, 2017, 01:43:32 AM
Hey I always said I wouldn't get it until I finished my current backlog on the Wii U which probably wont be until 2018 at my rate.  Of course the upcoming lineup does look pretty amazing from what they've shown and proves my point about how the the Japanese third party support will probably be pretty solid thanks to the system being a handheld as well.

Of course I would say it's a good thing Mario Odyssey is a holiday title since if that came out close to launch I don't know if I could have controlled myself.  Hopefully I can clear my backlog by the holiday since when that game comes out it'll be agony not being able to play it right away.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 01:43:54 AM
This is still a day one purchase for me if I can get one. I'll check Best Buy for pre-orders and stand in line on launch day if I can't (unless the line is bananas), but I won't kick an old lady to the ground to get one at launch. I just do that recreationally.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2017, 01:46:45 AM
There are some cool games coming to the system. I am very adamant about Arms, personally. It looks awesome. I'll take more Splatoon if you give it to me. However, those trailers for SMT, FE Warriors, Xenoblade, and Octopath all have me super excited, but how far out are those games?

If I wasn't already getting one for specific reasons, I would hold off for a looooong time until those games came out.


P.S. Super Mario Odyssey looks hella fun.

The reports are that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a 2017 release so I think there's a good chance you see that one in Holiday 2017.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on January 13, 2017, 01:49:07 AM
I have some stuff in my backlog, but that makes it easier to deal with the software... "droughts" that are going to be happening with the Switch. While I have faith that Atlus can churn out SMTV pretty damn quickly (which is exciting, since SMTIVA was my Game of the Year in 2016), I doubt we'll be seeing Xenoblade Chronicles 2 any time soon, and the big gap between Zelda and Mario makes focusing in on those titles easier for me.


Of course, there is that tentative 2017 for XC2, but I'm quite excited to re-enter the world of Splatoon. And I'm not gonna lie, ARMs has me a bit smitten.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on January 13, 2017, 02:08:54 AM
For roughly $400 bucks, I could get a Switch and Zelda. Or I can get a Wii U, a bunch of games, and Zelda. It's actually a tough call. I really want to play Smash bros., Pikmin, and Wonderful 101.

It really is gonna depend on how Zelda plays on Wii U.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2017, 02:11:19 AM
Perhaps if you buy it used, you can get the Wii U with all those games and more and still have $100 - $50.00 to start saving on the Switch. Guess we'll see what tomorrow brings as more news on this system gets distributed out to us.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2017, 02:44:22 AM
It's still a day one purchase for me, but the presentation was largely disappointing, between the price and the fact that Mario's not coming until the holidays.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: rygar on January 13, 2017, 07:49:11 AM
I was already sold on the hardware but I'm disappointed in the price, and what looks like gouging on the peripherals has me borderline hostile. My experience with consumer electronics is that the stated ranges for battery life tend to degrade relatively quickly once the device is put into regular use, so I expected more than 2.5 hours for $400 (I'm including the price of a game obviously). So I'm still switched on, but I was hoping to be tempted to get it at launch, and now I'm thinking I will hold out till 2018.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Kwolf on January 13, 2017, 09:04:01 AM
I'm still day one purchase myself, in fact stayed up to get my amazon preorder here in the states.  I have to say though the conference didn't really boost excitement.   Might have even dulled me slightly.  Although both Mario and Zelda look fantastic.   There were a few times during the conference I actually burst out in laughter, along with head shaking.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on January 13, 2017, 09:38:02 AM
Apparently, the online service will give out free VC games per month sometimes with additions like ONLINE MULTIPLAYER. If this means what I think it means, it puts me firmly back into the Switch camp.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Oedo on January 13, 2017, 06:36:26 PM
Regardless of the quality of Nintendo's messaging over the past 24 hours or the price of accessories (which, while it may reflect the cost of the tech, is just too high), all I really care about is the games. Zelda is there for launch and it looks amazing, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is coming a few months after that (though the value proposition for that does not seem great for someone who has the game on Wii U and bought both DLC packs), Splatoon 2 is there for the summer, Mario Odyssey is there the holidays, and even Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is listed as 2017 for the west right now (though I'm certainly not banking on that). In terms of first party output, that's amazing. I got my pre-order in and I'm 100% there for day one.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Mop it up on January 13, 2017, 06:55:23 PM
Hype for Mario has increased. Hype for everything else is at an all-time low.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Wah on January 13, 2017, 07:25:28 PM
Im not supporting the stupid multiplayer bullshit, but i'll buy it for the awesome single player games.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Sarail on January 13, 2017, 08:44:15 PM
Sold! Breath of the Wild, Super Bomberman R, and I Am Setsuna on day one for me. :)
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2017, 08:52:20 PM
I preordered Nintendo Switch and The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild on Amazon. I think I can hold off on I am Setsuna since I probably won't play it right away.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: rygar on January 13, 2017, 09:34:08 PM
I can definitely be positive on the games for myself, and I always liked the hardware.

BotW and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 look absolutely fantastic. Skyrim is confirmed. I love the art style of Project Octopath Traveler and would be shocked if I don't get it. Those four, plus Shin Megami Tensei, are all hugely attractive.

I am Setsuna and Disgaea 5 are also likely buys, and I'll be keeping an eye on FIFA, Ultra Street Fighter II, Steep, Super Mario Odyssey, and Fast RMX. The last four are genres that don't typically interest me, but the games look so visually interesting I could easily be tempted.

My disappointments are only price and an a growing suspicion that I won't have the breadth of genre coverage I want with the eventual full library. But in truth, I'll end up buying more games than I'll play.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2017, 04:09:40 PM
Worse. According to Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/nintendo-switch/2017/1/13/14261292/nintendo-switch-controller-ac-adapter-price-wheel), they're $50.

Individual Joycon: $49.99
Joycon pair: $79.99
Joycon Grip: $29.99
Pro Controller: $69.99
Additional dock with AC Adapter and HDMI cable: $79.99

Get the **** out of here, Nintendo.

You have got to be joking....

move me to the "wait and see" crowd.
I don't know the details on the joycons, but $80 to get an additional pair!?

oh you want multiplayer!? LOL, better BYOS (buy your own switch)
and additional dock that does no more than pass through the signal to the TV and charge the system is $80!? GTFOH w/ that noise.
Even the pro controller is $70, and the joycon shell is $30!?

ridiculous.
and then we gotta pay for online...
I know Nintendo gotta get paid too, but that new Club Nintendo better be worth the price of entry.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Wah on January 14, 2017, 05:35:06 PM
With BnM here plus $20 + for Australians.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2017, 05:43:33 PM
Subtract $50 from the dock, $30 from every controller, and $20 for the Joycon Grip and those prices suddenly become a lot more reasonable while still providing Nintendo with profits on each item. The dock is an HDMI pass through that still has USB 2.0 for some reason. This is a huge missed opportunity for Nintendo. It had a perfect opportunity to change the rules and force consumers to rethink how it views video game hardware. Nintendo should be positioning itself as an alternative. One way it could have done so by lowering the price of entry. Instead of making a profit by selling a few things for a lot of money, it could make a profit by selling a lot of things for less money. For hardware that can connect to eight controllers, setting the cost of controllers so high doesn't particularly make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Wah on January 14, 2017, 05:57:41 PM
I honestly can't afford all this **** + games + yearly bullshit to use my own internet!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on January 14, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
The dock is an HDMI pass through that still has USB 2.0 for some reason.


That's insane. And yeah, there's one 3.0 in the back but that's still insane.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2017, 06:32:16 PM
w/o knowing all the in and outs of the actual hardware, this is what looks reasonable to me:

Switch Bundle: $299.99
Individual Joycon: $29.99
Joycon pair: $49.99
Joycon Grip: $19.99
Pro Controller: $39.99
Additional dock with AC Adapter and HDMI cable: $29.99

so a Switch, with additional joycon pair, a grip and a game cost $429.96
1 of everything w/ a game = $499.94

w/ Nintendo's current pricing...
multiplayer bundle w/ game = $469.99
1 of everything w/ a game = $717.95

multiplayer not splitting the joycons is very cost prohibitive.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on January 14, 2017, 10:19:24 PM
Just realized the poll had expired. I've reopened it in case people want to change their votes.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on January 14, 2017, 10:28:38 PM
I get that the JoyCons are each basically a WiiMote+ with some extra ****, but that tech should be a lot cheaper than the price implies.  Either Nintendo is getting a huge markup on these or they're passing it through to retailers to build the relationships back up.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 15, 2017, 12:05:32 AM
I pre-ordered something for the first time ever. I would have pre-ordered Zelda too but if it doesn't have dual audio I'm importing.


With that being said, only Skyrim looks like it might not be possible on Wii U. Switch is just  a Wii U plus Turbo and I'm not sure thats good enough at 300.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 12:47:11 AM
I get that the JoyCons are each basically a WiiMote+ with some extra ****, but that tech should be a lot cheaper than the price implies.  Either Nintendo is getting a huge markup on these or they're passing it through to retailers to build the relationships back up.

so what exactly are the joycons?
anyone have the details of the tech in the joycons?
anyone have the details of the tech in the dock?

I'm just looking for any justification of the mark up on the pricing. I have no idea of what we are getting included inside all the plastic.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ShyGuy on January 15, 2017, 12:57:43 AM
Ubisoft's Steep is a "next gen" game, I'm curious to see how it looks on the Switch. Has anyone seen any game play videos out there yet?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2017, 01:13:02 AM
so what exactly are the joycons?
anyone have the details of the tech in the joycons?
anyone have the details of the tech in the dock?

I'm just looking for any justification of the mark up on the pricing. I have no idea of what we are getting included inside all the plastic.
The right Joy-Con is basically a Wii Remote Plus with a lithium ion battery, NFC reader, and improved rumble and IR sensor. The left Joy-Con is the right Joy-Con without the IR sensor and NFC reader. Sold separately, Joy-Cons include the wrist strap slider that also feature larger SL and SR. Neither has a speaker so that's one thing not carried over from the Wii Remote.

The dock is mainly an HDMI pass through. It includes USB Type-C which charges the Switch console, two USB 2.0 on the side because Nintendo wanted to save three cents, and one USB 3.0 in the back with the HDMI and AC adapter ports. Seriously, that's all, and Nintendo is charging $89.99.

If you're one of those ignorant cunts who still thinks motion controls is driving up the cost on anything, you're wrong. It isn't. That technology was less than $10 over half a decade ago so you imagine it's a pittance in 2017. The only justification for the price is "Nintendo likes money."
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ShyGuy on January 15, 2017, 01:27:36 AM
I think Nintendo is cashing in. Business man wants strong profits for stockholders.

In some ways this feels like a soft launch. By the time Holiday 2017 rolls around, there will be good selection of games and they can play with price. I'm guessing a game bundled in for the same $299? Unless it does poorly then we may see a 3DS style price drop and another early adopter reward program.

These dang accessories are still going to cost way too much though. They don't drop in price nearly as much. Good news for Nintendo is that most armchair critics and casual customers don't factor the accessories bill in to the system purchase cost.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on January 15, 2017, 01:37:03 AM
If you're one of those ignorant cunts who still thinks motion controls is driving up the cost on anything, you're wrong. It isn't. That technology was less than $10 over half a decade ago so you imagine it's a pittance in 2017. The only justification for the price is "Nintendo likes money."


Let's be brutally honest. Nintendo is gouging their hardcore fans and early adopters because they can. Because we will buy this crap over and over. Because we are actively discussing the possibility of them doing that and then dropping the price during the holidays like it's business as usual.


And then we'll get 10 overvalued SNES game in some Ambassador program as a "reward" for our commitment to Nintendo.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2017, 01:38:43 AM
I doubt there will be any kind of Ambassador program. They're going to cut it to $250, or even $200, for the holidays, and we're not going to get anything.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ShyGuy on January 15, 2017, 01:52:50 AM
I doubt there will be any kind of Ambassador program. They're going to cut it to $250, or even $200, for the holidays, and we're not going to get anything.

Except the smug satisfaction of being into the band before they sold out and went all mainstream. My favorite console? You've probably never heard of it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 02:13:39 AM
so what exactly are the joycons?
anyone have the details of the tech in the joycons?
anyone have the details of the tech in the dock?

I'm just looking for any justification of the mark up on the pricing. I have no idea of what we are getting included inside all the plastic.
The right Joy-Con is basically a Wii Remote Plus with a lithium ion battery, NFC reader, and improved rumble and IR sensor. The left Joy-Con is the right Joy-Con without the IR sensor and NFC reader. Sold separately, Joy-Cons include the wrist strap slider that also feature larger SL and SR. Neither has a speaker so that's one thing not carried over from the Wii Remote.

The dock is mainly an HDMI pass through. It includes USB Type-C which charges the Switch console, two USB 2.0 on the side because Nintendo wanted to save three cents, and one USB 3.0 in the back with the HDMI and AC adapter ports. Seriously, that's all, and Nintendo is charging $89.99.

If you're one of those ignorant cunts who still thinks motion controls is driving up the cost on anything, you're wrong. It isn't. That technology was less than $10 over half a decade ago so you imagine it's a pittance in 2017. The only justification for the price is "Nintendo likes money."

That's what I thought was inside the plastic, which is why I was hoping someone would shed the light on all the other tech I was obviously not aware of.
as for the bolded text... I'll just assume that wasn't a directed comment, but a general statement made in frustration of the obvious price gouging.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on January 15, 2017, 02:34:02 AM
Proprietary hardware=exclusive services=higher cost to dissuade imitators!

Call me an ignorant ****!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Wah on January 15, 2017, 02:47:48 AM
Proprietary hardware=exclusive services=higher cost to dissuade imitators!

Call me an ignorant ****!

Nah, just more of an explanation on what you mean.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 15, 2017, 03:20:54 AM
Man, I'm about as constitutionally inclined to be a Nintendo apologist as possible, and have purchased every console since the 64 in the first six months, but the more this sinks in and more details are added, the more I think ole Switchy is shaping up to be a final flameout.

I won't say I was naive about Nintendo's ability to pull this off, I was moreso confident that they would pull it off because they absolutely had to to stay in the game. The huge reorganization on top of the leadership change also seemed to bode well for a refresh.

But the picture ain't looking good, and I find myself in the queasy position of hoping the obvious missteps bite Nintendo in the ass so they'll have to slash the Switch's price this year and make the purchase rationalizable. But if things are in such a state, I'm not sure I'd want to buy in to a console with an uncertain outlook at that point anyway. And the cycle continues until I'm possibly in the camp picking one up in a stock clearance three years down the line to play the four or five games I felt like I actually missed.

This is a much more pessimistic outlook than I'd like to have, but unfortunately the dedicated game hardware world is one in which animal spirits actually hold sway.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2017, 08:10:27 AM
Let's be brutally honest.
Damn, I thought I was.
as for the bolded text... I'll just assume that wasn't a directed comment, but a general statement made in frustration of the obvious price gouging.
Not directed at you anyway...
Quote
Controllers are looking to be very expensive.  Like getting a second set on Joycons and the grip for it will cost you another $110!!  Might as well be a Wii U Gamepad at that price and mostly for motion control nonsense that the world lost interest in five years ago.
Seriously, people still believe this and bring it up regularly. Everything about that is ignorant. Nearly two generations removed from Wii, it's absurd that people have such an ax to grind against motion controls that they're still blaming motion controls for all manner of ills in the world.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: sudoshuff on January 15, 2017, 10:37:24 AM
These dang accessories are still going to cost way too much though. They don't drop in price nearly as much. Good news for Nintendo is that most armchair critics and casual customers don't factor the accessories bill in to the system purchase cost.


I agree about the high price of accessories, but isn't the point of the Switch that it has everything you need right out of the box?  Two controllers, portable and console with dock.  I don't feel the need to buy any accessories at launch (or within the first year).
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 10:50:42 AM
This is from the Nintendo site:
http://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/ (http://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/)
Quote
Take your game sessions up a notch with the Pro Controller. Includes motion controls, HD rumble, built-in amiibo functionality, and more.

Does anyone know what is new about the rumble that Nintendo is calling it HD rumble?
is it just because they have rumble in each palm?is there something new and  unique about it? haptics inside?


and what about the batteries in the joycons and the pro controller?
anyone know anything about that?


I've heard 20+ hours on the joycons. Not sure on the pro con though.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 15, 2017, 11:21:13 AM
I agree about the high price of accessories, but isn't the point of the Switch that it has everything you need right out of the box?  Two controllers, portable and console with dock.  I don't feel the need to buy any accessories at launch (or within the first year).

Yeah especially when the big flagship launch title is Zelda that a single player game.  Yeah the prices are high as **** but I don't see these hurting Nintendo at launch when their biggest title is a single player game and even their big casual title 1-2 Switch can be played with both Joycons that you get out of the box as well.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2017, 11:47:27 AM
The peripheral prices won't hurt launch window due to the nature of early adopters. It's still a dick move that hurts overall consumer confidence and trust, things Nintendo can't afford to take lightly after Wii U flopped.
Does anyone know what is new about the rumble that Nintendo is calling it HD rumble?
is it just because they have rumble in each palm?is there something new and  unique about it? haptics inside?

and what about the batteries in the joycons and the pro controller?
anyone know anything about that?

I've heard 20+ hours on the joycons. Not sure on the pro con though.
1. I've read haptic feedback, but I don't think it has been confirmed anywhere.

2. Joy-Con battery life is 20 hours, Pro Controller battery life is 40 hours.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 12:50:08 PM
The peripheral prices won't hurt launch window due to the nature of early adopters. It's still a dick move that hurts overall consumer confidence and trust, things Nintendo can't afford to take lightly after Wii U flopped.

part of my reasoning for even early adopting would be to play w/ my daughter, which means I will need a 2nd set of joycons and a grip. But for $110.00 before tax, it's more than 1/3 the cost of the system to buy an complete additional controller. That's just OUTRAGEOUS and turns me away from not only early adopting, but adopting at all.
I'm not spending $410.00 + tax on this system to play multiplayer, only to realize that I haven't even picked out a game yet.
If I'm not sold at launch, then I'll just have to re-evaluate at Xmas time.

and i know lots of the 1st party multi uses split controllers, but what if the game I want to play doesn't?

oh, and come Xmas time, I really hoping Nintendo pushes that VR Headset and some exclusive MMO Star Wars Jedi Knight VR3D game w/ split joycon controls (ep VIII tie in). You want to make a frenzy as hottest thing during Xmas 2017, that would be the product right there.
edit: I'm not even a SW fan, and I would buy in for that. possibly even pay for the online service to play it too.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Phil on January 15, 2017, 01:49:29 PM
This is from the Nintendo site:
http://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/ (http://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/)
Quote
Take your game sessions up a notch with the Pro Controller. Includes motion controls, HD rumble, built-in amiibo functionality, and more.

Does anyone know what is new about the rumble that Nintendo is calling it HD rumble?
is it just because they have rumble in each palm?is there something new and  unique about it? haptics inside?

and what about the batteries in the joycons and the pro controller?
anyone know anything about that?

I've heard 20+ hours on the joycons. Not sure on the pro con though.

It's what was shown with 1,2 Switch among other games (also the demo of the glass being filled with three ice cubes and then water, and how each felt different), and it has been getting lots of positive feedback from those who have actually tried it. The hardware seems to be getting lots of positive vibes from demoers; it's just everything else that people are mixed on.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 02:09:24 PM
I'm not even sure what 1-2 swtich was.... was it like Wario Ware, more like Wii Sports, a combo of both?
short video I saw barely even showed the game, just people have twitch reactions to beat each other. Not really sure what the game was.

I haven't been hunting down videos to fins out more, just kinda perusing this and the other thread for info.
I guess I can check out the "switch game thread" to see if there are more indepth videos explaining stuff.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ShyGuy on January 15, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
This is from the Nintendo site:
http://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/ (http://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/)
Quote
Take your game sessions up a notch with the Pro Controller. Includes motion controls, HD rumble, built-in amiibo functionality, and more.

Does anyone know what is new about the rumble that Nintendo is calling it HD rumble?
is it just because they have rumble in each palm?is there something new and  unique about it? haptics inside?


and what about the batteries in the joycons and the pro controller?
anyone know anything about that?


I've heard 20+ hours on the joycons. Not sure on the pro con though.

Here is the section of the presentation talking about the HD rumble. Apparently people who had hands on are saying it's the real deal.

Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Kairon on January 15, 2017, 02:31:30 PM
I'm not even sure what 1-2 swtich was.... was it like Wario Ware, more like Wii Sports, a combo of both?
short video I saw barely even showed the game, just people have twitch reactions to beat each other. Not really sure what the game was.

I haven't been hunting down videos to fins out more, just kinda perusing this and the other thread for info.
I guess I can check out the "switch game thread" to see if there are more indepth videos explaining stuff.

I personally think of it as multiplayer focused, higher-tech Wario Ware: Smooth Moves. Both games seem to give quirky introductions to how to play them before the minigame starts, and some of the game's even seem like directly descendants.

I think the similarities are very clear when comparing 1 2 Switch's "Quick Draw" with Wario Ware: Smooth Moves' "How the West Was Really Won":

1 2 Switch Quick Draw Treehouse Pre-Game Intro and Gameplay
https://youtu.be/ZVo9OdXAG2A?t=57s (https://youtu.be/ZVo9OdXAG2A?t=57s)

Wario Ware: Smooth Moves "The Big Cheese" Pre-Game Pose Intro
https://youtu.be/A1YETW-EyB0?t=3m8s (https://youtu.be/A1YETW-EyB0?t=3m8s)

Wario Ware: Smooth Moves "How The West Was Really Won" Gameplay
https://youtu.be/A1YETW-EyB0?t=4m24s (https://youtu.be/A1YETW-EyB0?t=4m24s)
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on January 15, 2017, 02:35:17 PM
The more I think about the Switch, the less I like its chances. It's an underpowered, expensive console with no games (at least not many). They need to fix two of those three issues and it really doesn't matter which ones, but they all can be fixed with more time. So...what the **** is the rush? Why release it right now?

They really need to reevaluate the price and announce more games before launch or the first six months of this console could sink it. They also need to provide VC games as a subscription.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2017, 02:50:36 PM
part of my reasoning for even early adopting would be to play w/ my daughter, which means I will need a 2nd set of joycons and a grip. But for $110.00 before tax, it's more than 1/3 the cost of the system to buy an complete additional controller. That's just OUTRAGEOUS and turns me away from not only early adopting, but adopting at all.
I'm not spending $410.00 + tax on this system to play multiplayer, only to realize that I haven't even picked out a game yet.
If I'm not sold at launch, then I'll just have to re-evaluate at Xmas time.
Even Wii U sold well at launch. What I meant was there will be plenty of early adopters. After that, it could go either way. Once the early adopter wave passes, will everyone else accept those prices?

I get what you mean though. I find the peripheral prices to be beyond outrageous. I was ready to buy two Pro Controllers for Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros. until Nintendo announced it'd be $70. I probably won't buy one until there's a sale. I have Switch preordered on Amazon, but I wouldn't be upset if I wasn't guaranteed one on launch day. It also depends on when Apple announces new iMacs. If it's released around March, I may put Switch on hold. That's disappointing to me. While I like Switch and the upcoming games, the unveiling wasn't a homerun. If given the choice, I'd pick something else. I don't know if I'm explaining this well. Like I want one, but I don't want and I won't go out of my way. The price gouging is that much of a turn off for me because otherwise, I think everything else ranges from decent to genuinely great.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 03:14:04 PM

I personally think of it as multiplayer focused, higher-tech Wario Ware: Smooth Moves. Both games seem to give quirky introductions to how to play them before the minigame starts, and some of the game's even seem like directly descendants.

I think the similarities are very clear when comparing 1 2 Switch's "Quick Draw" with Wario Ware: Smooth Moves' "How the West Was Really Won":

1 2 Switch Quick Draw Treehouse Pre-Game Intro and Gameplay
https://youtu.be/ZVo9OdXAG2A?t=57s (https://youtu.be/ZVo9OdXAG2A?t=57s)

I could see this being cool little party distraction drinking game.
the eating contest game... LOL. i see that getting twisted in some perverted way real quick.
(edit: not this game itself, but the knock off game using the same "approach")

I just hope there are more games than the 5 they showed. Because if that's it, then they really should just pack it in with either the system, or with the extra pair of joy-con controllers and turn it into a 4-8 player switch off party game.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on January 15, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
I'm sure the HD rumble is pretty cool but it's just a trivial thing for Nintendo to put any effort into.  Unless it feels like sex I don't see how it will increase hardware sales at all and the impact something like rumble has on a game is so minor that no one will think the competing consoles are inferior because their rumble isn't as good.  It's like 3D on the 3DS was clearly something Nintendo thought would be a system seller and it just isn't a significant enough addition to the gameplay experience to be a selling point.  On the 3DS the nifty feature did not make up for the real issues the system initially had with price and library.  HD rumble is just a neat feature but the Switch is too expensive and seems hurting for games for the initial launch period.  So Nintendo put effort into something that really does not matter and have these other serious problems unresolved.  It's not like the people they assigned to work on HD rumble would necessarily have fixed one of these other problems if they hadn't been freed up to do so but it looks bad when there are obvious and serious problems that Nintendo should have made all effort to avoid having but they did a great job on this unnecessary feature no even thought to ask for and no one would miss if they didn't bother with it at all.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Shaymin on January 15, 2017, 05:21:13 PM
This is all you need to know about 1-2 Switch:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Exdh01otlonUb5K/source.gif)
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2017, 05:25:48 PM
This is all you need to know about 1-2 Switch:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Exdh01otlonUb5K/source.gif)

no. you also need to gif the moment where it says "place the remote 2 inches away from your face" and put it in a forward/reverse loop.

I'm sure the HD rumble is pretty cool but it's just a trivial thing for Nintendo to put any effort into.  Unless it feels like sex I don't see how it will increase hardware sales at all...

just wait for the VR and girlfriend sims with extra peripheral attachment for a 3rd controller to be used hands free. I'm sure that's EXACTLY what it will feel like.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on January 15, 2017, 05:49:17 PM
I'm sure the HD rumble is pretty cool but it's just a trivial thing for Nintendo to put any effort into.  Unless it feels like sex I don't see how it will increase hardware sales at all and the impact something like rumble has on a game is so minor that no one will think the competing consoles are inferior because their rumble isn't as good.  It's like 3D on the 3DS was clearly something Nintendo thought would be a system seller and it just isn't a significant enough addition to the gameplay experience to be a selling point.  On the 3DS the nifty feature did not make up for the real issues the system initially had with price and library.  HD rumble is just a neat feature but the Switch is too expensive and seems hurting for games for the initial launch period.  So Nintendo put effort into something that really does not matter and have these other serious problems unresolved.  It's not like the people they assigned to work on HD rumble would necessarily have fixed one of these other problems if they hadn't been freed up to do so but it looks bad when there are obvious and serious problems that Nintendo should have made all effort to avoid having but they did a great job on this unnecessary feature no even thought to ask for and no one would miss if they didn't bother with it at all.


There are no problems with the Switch in Nintendo's eyes. This is their design, and now it's up to consumers to recognize that they need the Switch.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Sarail on January 15, 2017, 09:09:18 PM
You lot are crazy.

It's definitely a more powerful console than Wii U...maybe not near PS4 power, but it's significantly more than Wii U. Also, it's the FUCKING LAUNCH. You don't need or want eleventy-billion games during this time. ****, I'm getting Zelda, Bomberman, and Setsuna at launch...and that's way more than enough to keep me content until Mario Kart arrives in late April.

Also, it has the one feature I have been clamouring for, for almost a decade now — portability in a home console. I, literally, can bring my console with me on the go now. That's incredible.

Yes, some of the prices on accessories are a bit high. But I have two controllers ready to go for Bomberman with my boyfriend right out of the fucking box. That's exciting. I can't wait. Yes, I do want a Pro controller...but for now, it can wait until later.

I'm so ready for Switch, and I believe it's going to be a wonderful success for Nintendo once it catches on this holiday season later in the year.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Clonester11 on January 15, 2017, 10:22:58 PM
You lot are crazy.

It's definitely a more powerful console than Wii U...maybe not near PS4 power, but it's significantly more than Wii U. Also, it's the FUCKING LAUNCH. You don't need or want eleventy-billion games during this time. ****, I'm getting Zelda, Bomberman, and Setsuna at launch...and that's way more than enough to keep me content until Mario Kart arrives in late April.


True, the system itself is a great concept, I love it a lot. But the lackluster first 6 months is unacceptable for the position Nintendo is in. Nintendo has released very few AAA games the past two years. Most of the best games on Wii U were released in 2013 and 2014. What have they been doing the past two years besides Zelda?

And the other factor is this launch may have been acceptable if the Switch was launching at the same time as the PS4 and Xbox 1. But it's not. It's coming slowly out of the gate while it's key competitors are running full stride.

They've had the past two years, more or less, to be ready for this launch, and unless they have held something back, they blew it. I don't want to put down the money again on a system third parties will drop in 6 months because the system isn't selling. And the third party support isn't even stellar as it is, apart from a few RPG's. Once they lose momentum, they won't get it back, regardless of how nice the hardware is.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on January 15, 2017, 10:57:07 PM
Yes, some of the prices on accessories are a bit high. But I have two controllers ready to go for Bomberman with my boyfriend right out of the fucking box. That's exciting. I can't wait. Yes, I do want a Pro controller...but for now, it can wait until later.

I'm so ready for Switch, and I believe it's going to be a wonderful success for Nintendo once it catches on this holiday season later in the year.
A voice of reason! (AKA similar opinion to my own)

Curious, though- what would make these first six months better in the eyes of those who believe it is weak? I see a number of great games from Nintendo- a massive open-world adventure, a competitive fighter, a kart racing game, an online shooter, a party game... obviously if you want MORE of these, that is where third parties must come in. But even then, that's a pretty varied lineup from Nintendo.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Wah on January 15, 2017, 11:00:45 PM
An open-world game, a "competitive" fighter, a remake of the same racing game, a kid version of CoD, a shitty warioware rip-off.


One of those things you said i'm excited for, and you can get that on the Wii U!
I do want the new Mario though, so when it's more reasonably priced i will buy it.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Wah on January 15, 2017, 11:01:35 PM
I've just set off a nuke! Xd
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on January 15, 2017, 11:24:13 PM
Anything sounds worse when you put derogatory adjectives and quotations around them.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on January 15, 2017, 11:28:53 PM
Yes, some of the prices on accessories are a bit high. But I have two controllers ready to go for Bomberman with my boyfriend right out of the fucking box. That's exciting. I can't wait. Yes, I do want a Pro controller...but for now, it can wait until later.

I can agree with this. I'll buy the Pro Controller if only because I'll probably never get used to the dog-ears controller setup for longer gameplay sessions. But I do think it's fair to raise your voice and say ****'s overpriced yo, so no 4 players game sessions for the foreseeable future.

I'm ok with the lineup if only because I see an inevitable slowdown of third party stuff and I have enough of a PS4 backlog(and Overwatch) to keep me busy. I am happy with Zelda/Bomberman/Steep/FAST RMX in the first few months but that's because I have so many more options ready on other consoles anyway. That's not really a good look for Nintendo.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on January 15, 2017, 11:36:58 PM
Yes, some of the prices on accessories are a bit high. But I have two controllers ready to go for Bomberman with my boyfriend right out of the fucking box. That's exciting. I can't wait. Yes, I do want a Pro controller...but for now, it can wait until later.

I'm so ready for Switch, and I believe it's going to be a wonderful success for Nintendo once it catches on this holiday season later in the year.
A voice of reason! (AKA similar opinion to my own)

Curious, though- what would make these first six months better in the eyes of those who believe it is weak? I see a number of great games from Nintendo- a massive open-world adventure, a competitive fighter, a kart racing game, an online shooter, a party game... obviously if you want MORE of these, that is where third parties must come in. But even then, that's a pretty varied lineup from Nintendo.


What would make these first 6-months better is the thing I was looking for out of the presentation: a show of western developer support. We've about 7 months to go before the next Madden football game will be ready to ship. I want to see that franchise return to the Nintendo console. I was hoping to see some major ports of some other games similar to Skyrim. I'm sure we will see more titles announced as time goes by, but it's disconcerting when you consider what the Wii U started with for third party support.


I'm seeing a solid number of blockbuster games for the Switch in its first year. Some of us have asked what Nintendo has been up to all this time, and I think we've seriously overlooked ARMS because it looks silly. I rolled my eyes and I most definitely ignored this title when it was revealed. I think Nintendo could have taken a different approach to revealing this game if they wanted us to recognize it as a potential new blockbuster IP.


The thing is that I had a similar reaction to Splatoon when it was first shown, but now we see almost everyone clamoring for Splatoon 2. Splatoon has become a new ace up Nintendo's sleeve, and we need more Splatoons, which could be ARMS. If that game can get a following/community under it then suddenly Nintendo has carved out a nice selection of new online games to go with Smash Bros. and Mario Kart. I think everyone sees the crazy-appeal of Smash and Mario Kart, but then I think you see another style of online play from games such as Splatoon and ARMS, which are also totally different from each other.


I will be interested to see what kind of online gaming support the Switch receives. I'm curious to see if the Switch will get more ports of action games where online co-op is a major component.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on January 15, 2017, 11:47:25 PM
People disregard ARMS because they're dumb. Well, more specifically, they disregard ARMS because they think it's a motion-exclusive game (it isn't) and because they aren't into 1v1 fighters. I can honestly say I wasn't much of a shooter fan, and I'm still not, but I love Splatoon. If ARMS has a similar single player campaign as Splatoon did, I could see it being well-worth the price of entry. I mean, I'm getting it no matter what, so I guess I don't count.

Thanks for taking the time to respond in detail, -X-. I appreciate the perspective, and you gave me something to think about!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 16, 2017, 01:13:17 AM
The thing people need to remember is the average consumer doesn't buy a lot of games each year.  Hell, some studies even show the average consumer buys less then 5 games each year.  The Switch will launch with Zelda which will be a huge game to the mass audience and easily able to keep many satisfied at launch.  Then they release Mario Kart 8 Deluxe which is another huge game that can tied them over as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if ARMS is their big May game which depending on the final version could be pretty big as well.

Yes without more third party support it limits the overall appeal of the system but overall, it's still a decent lineup and lightyears better then the Wii U's lineup.  Seriously, Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8, Splatoon 2 and Super Mario Odyssey are all by themselves bigger then anything Nintendo released on the Wii U it's first year.  And before anyone says Zelda and Mario Kart are also on the Wii U, to the majority of the world that didn't buy a Wii U, that fact means ****.  That's kind of a big fact people seem to ignore, if somebodies last Nintendo system was the Wii or 3DS and they never bought a Wii U, the Switch lineup becomes even more appealing since it's filled with several big games from Nintendo that they have never played before.

In the West the 3DS in particular lived entirely off this kind of support with one major game from Nintendo every 1-3 month, since third party support from Western devs was non-existent and the major Japanese ones were pretty niche in the West as well.  So the Switch is far from the doomsday scenario that some are saying could happen unless Nintendo just forgets to market the thing these next few months.  Things could be better but it's hardly the worst and if Nintendo is willing to spend some money so people are seeing ads for Zelda shoved in their face every 5 seconds it could be huge.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Clonester11 on January 16, 2017, 11:39:07 AM
In regards to the first 6 months:

-The biggest gap was the lack of support from Western developers. They are barely dipping their toe in the water like the Wii U, perhaps even less so. If units don't move quick, third party support will be DOA.
-To be honest, I was expecting a big game from Retro.
-Why aren't 1,2 Switch and/or ARMS not bundled? The console would be far more competitive
-As for ARMS, it looks fun, but do I spend $80-$110 plus the game price so I can play it with my kids?
-If there is a bigger lineup of games on the way, why wait? Many have already made up their mind about the system
-Because of all these issues, the newspapers (in Canada) have printed indifferent or negative articles about the Switch... Not good.
-It's true that people will only play so many games in a year, but does the Switch games lineup honestly have anything more appealing to many people other than Nintendo fans?
-As many have mentioned, everything is too expensive to be competitive. They aren't in a position to do this!
-The Wii U had Mario, Smash, Mario Kart, LoZ, and even Rayman, FIFA and Madden in its first two years... How did that turn out?

Things I love:
-Everything about the hardware is very appealing. I love off TV play on the Wii U, and this is even better
-Good support for RPG's
-Zelda and Mario look incredible
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on January 16, 2017, 11:51:26 AM
Because of all these issues, the newspapers (in Canada) have printed indifferent or negative articles about the Switch... Not good.
Hey Clonester, can you link to some of those articles, or even just cite the publications in which they appear? I'd like to read them. Should be interesting!
Thanks.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Clonester11 on January 16, 2017, 12:20:45 PM
And just to be clear, I understand the positive sentiments expressed here. But, like others, I've lived through every Nintendo generation. I am very nostalgic, especially towards the SNES. I've hoped for better the past few generations, but I'm weary of being let down. I thought the Switch could really turn it around for Nintendo + Nintendo gamers, it has a lot of potential! But for my previously stated reasons, it just feels like the Wii U all over again. I hope I am wrong, though.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Clonester11 on January 16, 2017, 01:10:49 PM
Because of all these issues, the newspapers (in Canada) have printed indifferent or negative articles about the Switch... Not good.
Hey Clonester, can you link to some of those articles, or even just cite the publications in which they appear? I'd like to read them. Should be interesting!
Thanks.

Sure: There's the Globe and Mail "Nintendo Disappoints...", The Toronto Star "Wobbly start for Nintendo Switch", the Financial Post "Nintendo Switch: the good, the bad, and the pricey". Those are three of the biggest newspapers in Canada. Mobilesyrup.ca had a nice article on the Switch, but the reader comments generally were negative.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/technology/nintendo-disappoints-with-299-price-for-new-switch-console/article33614913/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile (https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/technology/nintendo-disappoints-with-299-price-for-new-switch-console/article33614913/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile)

http://startouch.thestar.com/screens/c74e56a5-a76a-44fb-a018-163a074f6d2d%7C_0.html (http://startouch.thestar.com/screens/c74e56a5-a76a-44fb-a018-163a074f6d2d%7C_0.html)

http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/fp-tech-desk/post-arcade/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/fp-tech-desk/post-arcade/nintendo-switch-the-good-the-bad-and-the-pricey (http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/fp-tech-desk/post-arcade/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/fp-tech-desk/post-arcade/nintendo-switch-the-good-the-bad-and-the-pricey)

Sorry if the links don't work properly, I'm trying to do this from my phone.

Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on January 16, 2017, 03:12:10 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on January 16, 2017, 04:31:07 PM
Those newspaper articles do not surprise me.  The Canadian price is ridiculously high.  The Switch is going to sell like garbage over here.  Drop in the bucket compared to the American market in Nintendo's eyes I guess.

The more and more I think about it the price is the big problem.  Knock that down to a reasonable level and the other issues seem pretty minor.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on January 16, 2017, 08:56:13 PM
Yeah, the price is the big problem. When I thought it could possibly be $200 (like by year's end, ie. Black Friday, etc) I was considering buying 2 of them so my wife and I could both play online together, etc. At a lower price, I was imagining being more forgiving of the underpowered hardware (only 2-3x more powerful than a Wii U), but now I'd say it had better be full blown next gen Tegra and closer to XB1 in power than to the Wii U.


My speculation is that Nintendo knows this too, hence the recent rumors of a more powerful dev unit just before the world presentation.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 16, 2017, 10:05:50 PM
Keep in mind that if you buy a Switch console, your Joycon batteries die, and you want to play on the TV...well, you can't, because you can only charge the Joycons using the console, unless you buy the charging Joycon Grip for an additional $30. What's the difference between them? One has a charging port. Pretty ridiculous and obvious that Nintendo is trying to nickel and dime consumers. Am I going to buy a Switch on day one? Of course. Am I going to be happy about it? Yes. Am I going to be pissed when the batteries die and I have to play using the tablet, and then its battery dies and I'm just screwed? Definitely.

There is no "more powerful dev unit" - Breath of the Wild doesn't get a 3 fps boost on a console that's 2-3x as powerful as the Wii U. It's kind of hard to draw a comparison in terms of power between the Wii U and the Switch, but 2-3x is too high - RAM aside, it's more like 1.5x. The GPU is definitely more powerful, so higher resolutions aren't incredibly difficult, but the CPU isn't that far off. Double the RAM is nice - that doesn't necessarily let you do more complex things though, just more things at once - or bigger things. But it's nowhere near the level of Xbone of PS4, even though it can definitely output 4K video, but won't.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2017, 11:18:14 PM
If the JoyCon battery really does last 20 hours I don't think you have to be too worried about it running out mid-session.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Kairon on January 17, 2017, 12:54:43 AM
I think I underestimated two things when considering the pricing for the Switch:

1. Nintendo really wants to make money this fiscal year. Like, they've promised investors this fiscal year will be a good year after SO many bad ones. So imagine a $50 surcharge on the system multiplied by 2 million launch systems... that's an extra $100,000,000 in revenue. Even if they drop the price immediately on April 1, that's still a LOT of money they are allowed to put on the books right before their financial deadline.

2. The Switch includes TWO controllers. Each Joy-Con is a full controller, with its own battery, wireless tech, HD Rumble, etc. That by its very nature increases the price for the system SKU.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Stogi on January 17, 2017, 01:00:46 AM
It really is the price that is pissing everyone off. Pack-in a game (literally any game) and drop the price of accessories, and this all goes away.

But really, I think we all need to take a breath (nice) and actually hold the system. Remember the Gamecube and how stupid that looked? It's still my favorite console. What about the Wii? It sold more than any other console that generation. I mean for fucks sake. We finally have a system that actually looks good and includes all the controls we want out of the box AND its portable. I really think the cost, the lack of power, Nintendo's consistent fumblings, and lack of games will seem trivial when we hold the system and realize we can play HD Nintendo games anywhere.

At least I hope so.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Kairon on January 17, 2017, 01:52:56 AM
Well, I think it's

1. Price, and
2. Third party support

With regards to third parties, I think there was some general hope that we would see, well, more sooner, bigger, and newer than what we know so far. However, my other thread (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=51042.0) on this awhile back expressed a general sense that, well, Western major third-parties were going to Wii U us once again and there was very little hope for improvement. I think we were definitely hoping from more with Japanese and 3DS developers, but I think in this area Nintendo will have to exert some real effort to get things improving to a higher level that could be considered more appealing.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 17, 2017, 02:01:11 AM
It really is the price that is pissing everyone off. Pack-in a game (literally any game) and drop the price of accessories, and this all goes away.

But really, I think we all need to take a breath (nice) and actually hold the system. Remember the Gamecube and how stupid that looked? It's still my favorite console. What about the Wii? It sold more than any other console that generation. I mean for fucks sake. We finally have a system that actually looks good and includes all the controls we want out of the box AND its portable. I really think the cost, the lack of power, Nintendo's consistent fumblings, and lack of games will seem trivial when we hold the system and realize we can play HD Nintendo games anywhere.

At least I hope so.

People complained about the Wii's price when it was first announced as well.  It was just a modified Gamecube and IGN famously posted an article months earlier saying the hardware Nintendo was making the Wii with was so cheap that they could launch the system for $100.  So when low and behold, they announced the Wii was going to be $250, there was quite a few people saying the Wii was going to be DOA because it's price was way too high.  I still remember, some of the same suspects who are saying Nintendo can't demand such a price because the Wii U was a failure said the same thing about the Wii since the Gamecube was considered a failure back then as well.

Same thing with the nickle and dime complains about the Wiimote, especially when it was revealed the Wiimote and Nunchuck were both sold separately.  The same suspects were once again saying "No way are families going to spend that kind of money to buy more Wiimotes and Nunchucks".

Now I do think the price might make the system a hard sell for some, but I think it's too early to tell.  The most important job for Nintendo is going to be marketing and how they get the message out to the general public who isn't watching every trailer on Youtube or reading about the hardware specs.  If they can get another "Wii would like to play" campaign going on that really makes the system look special and shove Zelda in everyone's face for the next month straight, this thing could be huge.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2017, 02:10:15 AM
I think I underestimated two things when considering the pricing for the Switch:

2. The Switch includes TWO controllers. Each Joy-Con is a full controller, with its own battery, wireless tech, HD Rumble, etc. That by its very nature increases the price for the system SKU.

I believe it only includes ONE full controller. that 1 controller just happens to split into 2 halves that can function as 2 mini controller for games designed to work with them.

If I bought the console and wanted to play 2 player ARMS where me and friend want to box each other, I don't need to buy a "second" controller? Of course I do.
well, I don't if we decide that we don't want to use motion... maybe. not sure if it's a dual analog game or not, but to play it the way we wanted to play it... the way it was advertised REQUIRES the purchase of a 2nd FULL Controller. Well, atleast a 2nd left and right Joycon (grip is optional).

Same thing with the nickle and dime complains about the Wiimote, especially when it was revealed the Wiimote and Nunchuck were both sold separately.  The same suspects were once again saying "No way are families going to spend that kind of money to buy more Wiimotes and Nunchucks".

I personally don't have a problem with the cost of the system. A portable Wii U++/PS4extralite is worth $300, especially with all the tech involved.

but relating the $40 Wiimotes + the (overpriced) $20 nunchucks as a $60 combo vs the 2xJoycons for $80 + the (overpriced) $30 grip as a $110 combo is quite the sticker shock. Parity for the 2nd player comes at too steep a price...
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Kairon on January 17, 2017, 02:26:41 AM
I think I underestimated two things when considering the pricing for the Switch:

2. The Switch includes TWO controllers. Each Joy-Con is a full controller, with its own battery, wireless tech, HD Rumble, etc. That by its very nature increases the price for the system SKU.

I believe it only includes ONE full controller. that 1 controller just happens to split into 2 halves that can function as 2 mini controller for games designed to work with them.

If I bought the console and wanted to play 2 player ARMS where me and friend want to box each other, I don't need to buy a "second" controller? Of course I do.
well, I don't if we decide that we don't want to use motion... maybe. not sure if it's a dual analog game or not, but to play it the way we wanted to play it... the way it was advertised REQUIRES the purchase of a 2nd FULL Controller. Well, atleast a 2nd left and right Joycon (grip is optional).

I think of it in a completely different way. Each Joy-Con is it's own complete controller if you look at its hardware: internal battery, wireless connection, motion control, rumble HD, buttons, shoulder buttons, and analog stick... heck, that's MORE than what the Wii Remote ever had! If that's half a controller, then good grief no wonder a "full controller" costs as much as two Wii Remote Plus'!

But here's how I tackle the dilemma that ARMS and games like it pose: the Switch is the first time Nintendo is encouraging and creating games that MANDATE the use of TWO CONTROLLERS to play.

As a comparison, you could play We Cheer with TWO Wii Remotes, one in each hand, but you could always just opt to use one. No such thing with a game like ARMS, it's two controllers or bust. They just happen to give you two controllers out of the box.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2017, 02:53:32 AM
Well, Wii Sports boxing required both players to have a wiimote & nunchuck, and that game was packed in w/ the system.

$60 v $80min isn't that bad as a straight up comparison, but for 2nd player parity in another game... like a CoD split screen will require that grip... or a procon

the point being that an extra controller just cost too much.
Maybe they should do like like they did with WiiSports Resort and bundle the 2 extra joycons along w/ ARMS as a free (or +$10) pack-in.

That would entice people to not only pick-up a 2nd controller but also give ARMS a chance.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: MagicCow64 on January 17, 2017, 03:02:33 AM


People complained about the Wii's price when it was first announced as well.  It was just a modified Gamecube and IGN famously posted an article months earlier saying the hardware Nintendo was making the Wii with was so cheap that they could launch the system for $100.  So when low and behold, they announced the Wii was going to be $250, there was quite a few people saying the Wii was going to be DOA because it's price was way too high.  I still remember, some of the same suspects who are saying Nintendo can't demand such a price because the Wii U was a failure said the same thing about the Wii since the Gamecube was considered a failure back then as well.


Hmm, this is a pretty good point. According to the inflation calculator, the $250 Wii would be ~$290 today, not far off the Switch. $300 WiiU basic would be about ~$320 today. But of course the $250 3DS would be ~$270 today, and we know how that went . . .
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 17, 2017, 05:34:07 AM
People complained about the Wii's price when it was first announced as well.  It was just a modified Gamecube and IGN famously posted an article months earlier saying the hardware Nintendo was making the Wii with was so cheap that they could launch the system for $100.  So when low and behold, they announced the Wii was going to be $250, there was quite a few people saying the Wii was going to be DOA because it's price was way too high.  I still remember, some of the same suspects who are saying Nintendo can't demand such a price because the Wii U was a failure said the same thing about the Wii since the Gamecube was considered a failure back then as well.

Same thing with the nickle and dime complains about the Wiimote, especially when it was revealed the Wiimote and Nunchuck were both sold separately.  The same suspects were once again saying "No way are families going to spend that kind of money to buy more Wiimotes and Nunchucks".
People complained about Wii's price without knowing Wii Sports would be a cultural phenomenon, and understandably so since that's quite difficult to predict. People rushing E3 isn't necessarily indicative of how the general public will react. Does anyone expect 1-2 Switch to carry the same weight as Wii Sports? I don't, but maybe I'm wrong. To me, 1-2 Switch doesn't look like something I've never seen before. And not only is 1-2 Switch not-Wii Sports, it isn't even included with the console.

While I think $299.99 is okay and I would personally pay it, I think the criticisms levied against it are fair. People bought Wii Remotes because it was new and no one had ever seen anything like Wii Sports before. The Joy-Con is a Wii Remote with some extras. That means, not only is the Joy-Con no where near as groundbreaking as the Wii Remote, it's largely based on decade old tech. I don't mean that to sound derogatory. It's really great that a single Joy-Con is almost a Super Nintendo controller. Nintendo still isn't reaching back to the Blue Ocean with it. They've seen it before. They want the next Wii Remote, not the Wii Remote again. That said, nickel and diming consumers with Wii Remotes and Nunchuks when no one had ever imagined it or knew how much that tech cost isn't the same thing as what Nintendo is doing with Switch accessories. We've seen it before and know how much most of that costs now, and it isn't $49.99 and $69.99. I don't think to comparison to Wii works here.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Kairon on January 17, 2017, 06:03:44 AM
This isn't happening in a vacuum, controller prices have been rising all over. XBox One and PS4 controllers go for $50 with older tech. I'm not arguing that the Joy-con is positioned to set the world on fire, I'm just saying that I consider Joy-con pricing within expectation.

Is there profit motive at play? Certainly! I remember the days when controllers cost $30. Part of it could be inflation or new tech, but I think everyone knows that there's big money to be made in accessories.

However, while I think Joycon pricing isn't unexpected, it's the OTHER accessories that are insane. The Dock is obviously ridiculous. And let's not forget, Nintendo is now CHARGING for wriststraps that they gave awaybfor free on the Wii!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on January 17, 2017, 09:10:41 AM
The equivalent of XB1 and PS4 controllers on Nintendo goes for $70 though.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: lolmonade on January 17, 2017, 09:38:15 AM
I switched my vote, I was going to hold out, but think I've been convinced enough to jump in day one with a copy of Zelda and 3D Mario on the way.  I have a few Wii U games in backlog to tide me over between those two games if there's a bad drought.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 17, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
While I think $299.99 is okay and I would personally pay it, I think the criticisms levied against it are fair. People bought Wii Remotes because it was new and no one had ever seen anything like Wii Sports before. The Joy-Con is a Wii Remote with some extras. That means, not only is the Joy-Con no where near as groundbreaking as the Wii Remote, it's largely based on decade old tech. I don't mean that to sound derogatory. It's really great that a single Joy-Con is almost a Super Nintendo controller. Nintendo still isn't reaching back to the Blue Ocean with it. They've seen it before. They want the next Wii Remote, not the Wii Remote again. That said, nickel and diming consumers with Wii Remotes and Nunchuks when no one had ever imagined it or knew how much that tech cost isn't the same thing as what Nintendo is doing with Switch accessories. We've seen it before and know how much most of that costs now, and it isn't $49.99 and $69.99. I don't think to comparison to Wii works here.

But once again the thing is the general public doesn't know how much this tech cost for Nintendo to product.  To them the only comparison is a Wiimote plus Nunchuck was $60, while another Joycon is $80.  The average consumer isn't looking up to see how much Nintendo is overpricing the thing, it's just a $20 different to them.  Plus the big multiplayer game at launch, 1-2 Switch and even the month after Mario Kart 8 can both allow multiplayer with both pieces of the Joycon that comes with the system so it's not like people will feel they have to go out right away to buy another Joycon like they had to with Wii Sports.

I do agree that not bundling 1-2 Switch is kind of stupid for Nintendo since I don't see a lot of people willing to pay $50 for it.  Of course if they can get it on the right talk show and have people like Jimmy Fallon and Ellen have a lot of fun with it then who know, maybe it could catch on.  I imagine in Nintendo's mind they feel because of how big Wii Sports became they probably could have sold that thing separately and gotten similar sales from all the hype it ended up getting.  I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo advertises 1-2 Switch just as heavily as Zelda because of this in hopes it becomes another Wii Sports phenomenon and they can get more profit this time.

Either way the Joycon prices aren't going to really effect them until ARMS comes out since they game requires players to send another $80 for that second Joycon.  Of course I wonder if Nintendo might pull a Wiiplay with it and release a bundle that has the game and Joycon together so it creates a really good value to many consumers since they're getting a second controller and game together for a pretty similar price.  Nice way to fill any gaps in the Switch post launch lineup while giving a lot of households a second controllers so they'll be ready for Splatoon 2 with local multiplayer only a few months later.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on January 17, 2017, 07:32:31 PM
I think I underestimated two things when considering the pricing for the Switch:

1. Nintendo really wants to make money this fiscal year. Like, they've promised investors this fiscal year will be a good year after SO many bad ones. So imagine a $50 surcharge on the system multiplied by 2 million launch systems... that's an extra $100,000,000 in revenue. Even if they drop the price immediately on April 1, that's still a LOT of money they are allowed to put on the books right before their financial deadline.

This is an interesting strategy: price gouge the early adopters and then drop the price maybe around the holiday?  I just wonder what the perception will be if they drop the prices too hard.  Naturally, if you do it around the holidays under the guise of a sale price, it looks fine, but that's assuming whatever hype Nintendo has left lasts that long.

I'm still down for my Day 1 purchase (got 2 pre-orders).  But I'll definitely be playing wait-and-see with getting a pro-controller or a second set of JoyCon.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on January 17, 2017, 09:25:03 PM
Another Joy-Con is not 80 dollars. Please stop with this nonsense. Yes, you can argue the Wii Remote and Nunchuck was 60 but that was not two Wii Remotes.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2017, 02:46:12 AM
Another Joy-Con is not 80 dollars. Please stop with this nonsense. Yes, you can argue the Wii Remote and Nunchuck was 60 but that was not two Wii Remotes.

how is it nonsense if a complete second controller is a pair of left & rt joycons, which together cost $80? and that's not counting the grip to hold them in single controller config, which will run you another $30 on top of that.

Technically another Joycon (singular) cost $50, but even that sounds high for something that is so small. General populace isn't gonna care what tech is in it if Nintendo can't sell it as a necessity.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 18, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
But once again the thing is the general public doesn't know how much this tech cost for Nintendo to product.  To them the only comparison is a Wiimote plus Nunchuck was $60, while another Joycon is $80.  The average consumer isn't looking up to see how much Nintendo is overpricing the thing, it's just a $20 different to them.
People don't need to know how much tech costs to consider it overpriced. It just particularly sucks for the people who do know. That said, in response to "some of the same suspects who are saying Nintendo can't demand such a price because the Wii U was a failure," I think their criticisms on the price of the Switch console and peripherals are fair.

Separately, you keep bringing up the Wii Remote and Nunchuk, but the comparison doesn't work. People didn't just pay $60 for a controller; they paid $60 for a controller that was different and new. Nintendo sold Wii on the back of motion controls. It can't do that in 2017. There's nothing about the Joy-Con that makes it as easy to justify as the Wii Remote in 2006. Also, you're weirdly cavalier about "just a $20 difference." I can't speak for anyone else, but $20 is a big enough difference for me in most circumstances. There are games I'd buy at $20 that I'd never consider buying at $40, let alone $60. An $80 controller is bananas, and it isn't even $80 with the hidden cost of the Joy-Con grip.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on January 18, 2017, 10:11:50 AM
I think the JoyCon grip is included, since it's pictured on the box.

But for $80, Microsoft will let you customize an XB1 controller.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 18, 2017, 01:20:58 PM
Separately, you keep bringing up the Wii Remote and Nunchuk, but the comparison doesn't work. People didn't just pay $60 for a controller; they paid $60 for a controller that was different and new. Nintendo sold Wii on the back of motion controls. It can't do that in 2017. There's nothing about the Joy-Con that makes it as easy to justify as the Wii Remote in 2006. Also, you're weirdly cavalier about "just a $20 difference." I can't speak for anyone else, but $20 is a big enough difference for me in most circumstances. There are games I'd buy at $20 that I'd never consider buying at $40, let alone $60. An $80 controller is bananas, and it isn't even $80 with the hidden cost of the Joy-Con grip.

Once again, your looking at this from the tech standpoint of someone who's actually educated in what this hardware can do and cost which the average consumer isn't going to look up.  It wasn't the fact the motion controls where new that sold it, it was the fact Wii Sports was a great game to show it off.  If the technology was selling because it's new then Playstation VR should be lighting up the charts right now, but it's not because there's no killer app for it.

Seriously, that's my whole point.  If Nintendo can get the right software that convinces people they need a second full set of Joycons, I don't see the price being as big a deal.  Which is what people thought the full $60 for the Wiimote + Nunchuck back in the day was too much until Wii Sports proved them wrong.  Of course that will be up to Nintendo to make happen and ARMS will be their first true test.  Will that be the game that sells it, I don't know.  But with other major multiplayer games like 1-2 Switch and Mario Kart being playable with each Joycon that comes out of the box, even if ARMS fails to sell I don't think that will really harm the Switch momentum since not every game is forcing people to spend an extra $80 for multiplayer. 
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Clonester11 on January 18, 2017, 03:35:29 PM
Part of the pricing problem is that in some areas, the Switch is the most expensive console. From what I understand, all three consoles are $299 in the US, with the Xbox One+ PS4 having a game included at that price. $250 for the Switch would have been more competitive, but $299 is not unreasonable.

In Canada, the Xbox one S is $70 cheaper with a game packed in. The PS4, the most popular console, is $30 cheaper with one or two games packed in. The Switch is $399 just for the console, making it the most expensive of the three.

At the end of the day, Nintendo would rather nickel + dime (higher first year profit margins), while gambling on the Switch either booming or busting, than be competitive out of the gate (lower first year profit margins) and have a better chance of long term success.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on January 18, 2017, 03:51:10 PM
Don't forget that both consoles are $299 with a 500GB hard drive as well as a game.  Switch's 32GB and no game look bad at that price.  But the novelty of the system I think makes the price fair.  It's really the accessories where they're pooping the bed.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Clonester11 on January 18, 2017, 04:15:00 PM
Don't forget that both consoles are $299 with a 500GB hard drive as well as a game.  Switch's 32GB and no game look bad at that price.  But the novelty of the system I think makes the price fair.  It's really the accessories where they're pooping the bed.

Very true with the storage. Another added cost reducing value. I still love the concept and hope it does well long term

Regarding the accessories, it's true that PS4 and Xbox One controllers are expensive, but a lot of gamers just play alone or online. Nintendo has always made themselves attractive for local multiplayer, which I love about them. But when the controllers are expensive, it makes multiplayer much less attractive, and it detracts a bit from fun multiplayer games like Mario Kart, Splatoon, and ARMS. Whereas a better price point and affordable controllers increases the value of these games.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Adrock on January 18, 2017, 05:54:42 PM
Once again, your looking at this from the tech standpoint of someone who's actually educated in what this hardware can do and cost which the average consumer isn't going to look up.  It wasn't the fact the motion controls where new that sold it, it was the fact Wii Sports was a great game to show it off.  If the technology was selling because it's new then Playstation VR should be lighting up the charts right now, but it's not because there's no killer app for it.
Once again, no, I'm not. I'm referring to perceived value, and people don't need to know or research something to consider it expensive. This isn't even limited to technology. Someone can see a $20 sandwich on a menu and determine the cost too high without know what's in it, how its prepared, or ever asking why.

And I didn't say the Wii Remote sold merely because it was new. You're misconstruing my points by completely taking them out of context. I previously said two things:

1. People bought Wii Remotes because it was new and no one had ever seen anything like Wii Sports before.
2. People didn't just pay $60 for a controller; they paid $60 for a controller that was different and new.

The Wii Remote was inherently tied to Wii Sports as neither would have been as successful without the other. The value proposal was consumers needed to buy additional Wii Remotes to get the most out of Wii Sports.
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Seriously, that's my whole point.  If Nintendo can get the right software that convinces people they need a second full set of Joycons, I don't see the price being as big a deal.  Which is what people thought the full $60 for the Wiimote + Nunchuck back in the day was too much until Wii Sports proved them wrong.
Viewing the right and left Joy-Cons separately, "the right software" was Wii Sports if Wii Sports wasn't already a thing. HD Rumble is a support feature with no gameplay potential so we're left with the IR Camera. Maybe Nintendo comes up with something groundbreaking. I wouldn't bet on it though. As previously stated, I certainly don't think it's 1-2 Switch.

Obviously, I think complaints about the prices are fair even within the context you've presented. A Joy-Con set is still $109.98 if one wants to charge and play multiplayer at the same time which I'd imagine most do. The higher the price of something (be it a sandwich, a video game thing, house etc.), the harder it becomes to justify purchasing it. Maybe people pay it begrudgingly. That may be the cross Switch owners bear.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 23, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
Friends, I have finally, officially cancelled my Switch pre-orders. The value proposition is just not there for me yet. Plus I have a hefty backlog of games and limited time to play so buying a new console, I just can't justify it.
Of course, paying one kid's tuition, another kid's outrageously expensive grad dress and facing double tuition in the Fall doesn't help matters. And then there's vacations, summer camps, mom's 80th birthday party, etc. etc.
Being an adult blows.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on February 23, 2017, 10:40:16 PM
Yeah, being an adult is pretty awful.

I wonder if the news coming from the impressions embargo being lifted today is swaying anyone?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on February 23, 2017, 10:47:37 PM
I'm not going to cancel my pre-order (maybe), but I'm positive that after this launch I will never early-adopt another Nintendo console.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on February 23, 2017, 11:29:16 PM
I don't plan on canceling either, but I totally plan to trade in my Switch for a PS4 after I'm done playing Breath of the Wild if this thing looks like another Wii U.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 23, 2017, 11:35:43 PM
I'm probably going to spend 90%-plus of my time with the system in handheld mode, and was already planning to get a Pro Controller for when I'm playing solo on the TV, so the wireless issues don't really affect me or my decision to buy the system at all.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Phil on February 23, 2017, 11:45:39 PM
I'm not going to cancel my pre-order (maybe), but I'm positive that after this launch I will never early-adopt another Nintendo console.

IMO, you should never early-adopt any platform. Would have felt like an idiot for buying an early 360 to get that wonderful RRoD multiple times. Did feel like an idiot for buying a 60 GB PS3 early on, having it die on me. Would have felt dumb buying a PS4 for... Resogun at launch? And then nothing else for months.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on February 23, 2017, 11:54:45 PM
I'm not going to cancel my pre-order (maybe), but I'm positive that after this launch I will never early-adopt another Nintendo console.

IMO, you should never early-adopt any platform. Would have felt like an idiot for buying an early 360 to get that wonderful RRoD multiple times. Did feel like an idiot for buying a 60 GB PS3 early on, having it die on me. Would have felt dumb buying a PS4 for... Resogun at launch? And then nothing else for months.


A PS4 controller that was 100% doomed to fall apart and a botched thumb stick.


EDIT: Oh, and wobblegate!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Phil on February 24, 2017, 12:20:00 AM
Yeah, I mean we're essentially beta testers somewhat when we become early-adopters. We get the games earlier than later-adopters, but we suffer with all the problems. I am a masochist, though. :(
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Agent-X- on February 24, 2017, 12:26:11 AM
Yep.


Then again, I'm only getting the Switch because I managed to milk $200 out of my launch Wii U. This somehow feels like a bargain provided I can play Breath of the Wild on the TV without needing to buy a Pro controller.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 24, 2017, 05:18:42 PM
Actually, I vowed a long time ago I would never miss a Nintendo device launch! For example, I was really excited to get the Wii U right away and have never regretted it. Connecting with the community early on Miiverse was a blast and I always had something to play and also took full advantage of all early promotions (30 cent games, Deluxe Digital Promotion, Club Nintendo deals, early low pricing for some Wii VC games, etc.). I've loved it all. So much so that I have a hefty Wii U backlog.
I'm not sure why the Switch is leaving me cold at launch. I can't point to any one thing, it feels like a few, or many, things in combination are putting me off right now. That's not to say I'm not excited about getting one. I'm just holding off for a few things: a bundle of some sort (either a game with the system or with a controller pack), more "must have" software (I can wait on Zelda, I'm good for now), a community of players, VC, more time to play, a decreased personal backlog and increased personal disposable income.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on February 24, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
I've been on and off with Nintendo launches. Fortunate as a child to get the SNES within a half year of its launch. Can't remember the exact time because I never thought to note it as a kid. The N64, on the other hand, I didn't get until near the end of its lifespan at the time Donkey Kong 64 came out. The GameCube, thought I got in Feb. 2002 about 6 months after launch. The Wii was almost a year after launch in September 2007 that I finally picked it up. The Wii U was close to the same situation. It was June 2013 that I purchased one because there was a sale on it. The N64 is kind of the outlier but usually within the first year of launch I've ended up getting a console. Closest to launch for anything has been the 3DS which I got the second week it came out. I agree that joining in on launch can be fun. The Swapnote time that existed early on with the 3DS and the 3D Video service are things that someone coming into the system now can't experience. It does create a fondness for a system. Perhaps that's why I like the GC more than the 64. Just had way more time to create experiences with it and got to be there when releases were fresh and exciting rather than already extensively covered.

Told myself with my Wii U and 3DS purchases that if I didn't keep up with my game purchases that they would be my last consoles because I don't need to keep buying things I'm not using. That said, the Switch has really made me reconsider that promise to myself. But with the price of the console in Canada, it's helped me resist the urge to get in on the launch fever. The Switch has me quite excited but I'm willing to wait until something comes along that meets my value of the system. If it was $300, like it is in the US, then I'd be willing to plunk down the cash at launch and get it.

I think the Switch is going fluctuate in sales for certain regions because of the price differences. It seems to be affordable enough in the US and Japan but Canada, the UK and Australia have it much higher due to their currencies. Until the price point meets the sweet spot in some of these places, it may struggle there for a bit. Guess we'll see how Nintendo handles it. Plus, with Zelda on the Wii U, the biggest pull to early adopt the system is neutralized a bit but as we get closer to winter and Mario Odyssey it might be a different story. We'll see what E3 offers as well. But for now I'm content to sit this first year out if need be.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ShyGuy on March 01, 2017, 01:49:33 AM
I'm content to sit this first year out if need be.

Well, these forums will have no use for you. See you in 2018.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ClexYoshi on March 01, 2017, 03:32:02 AM
the thing that sold me on switch strangely enough was not launch lineup or Zelda or anything like that, but the Nindies thing today, the potential for ARMS if they put a good level of content in it and it's not...y'know, Street Fighter V...

... and the fact that I found out a buddy of mine is going to scalp 6 and he is willing to let one go for me for MSRP rather than at a mark-up. and he's letting me give him payments, so $50 over 6 weeks doesn't sting as bad as dropping $300 on the device right out the gate... probably because it's my birthday this month.


Fun fact: I got a launch 3DS because it launched on my birthday moreso than Street Fighter 4: Rainbow Edition and Steel Diver could ever entice me.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: rygar on March 01, 2017, 07:26:02 AM
Graceful Explosion Machine and Mr. Shifty both have me really interested in the HD rumble features for the first time. The probability of me buying a Switch in 2017 increased significantly after watching the nindie trailer last night, but I still think I'll hold out for the right bundle or a drop in price on the accessories.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 01, 2017, 12:29:09 PM
I found out a buddy of mine is going to scalp 6 (Switch consoles)
Your buddy is a dick. Stop being friends.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on March 01, 2017, 12:45:08 PM
I wonder if anyone is gonna change their votes based on the reviews out today.  Kind of the last chance, I suppose.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on March 01, 2017, 01:04:29 PM
I wonder if anyone is gonna change their votes based on the reviews out today.  Kind of the last chance, I suppose.


I think we're all crazy enough to still buy the console. But if a friend asked me if it's worth the purchase right now I would say "Hell No". And that's a downgrade from the "probably not" I felt last week.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on March 01, 2017, 01:32:12 PM
I know how you feel; my excitement has definitely been tempered.  I think I'm more excited for Zelda at this point than the thrill of a new console.

The areas of concern that seem to be universal (direct sunlight, joy-con range, no word of online) keep making me increasingly worried.  Like, the idea of "what if it's bad?" has always been there, but the less Nintendo talks about it, the more that idea grows.  Like, I have no faith that headphones will work with the console.  It seems like the voice chat will be done through the phone, and I in no way think game audio is going to first stream to my phone and then to my headset.  So, that's just a feature that Nintendo completely missed.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: King of Twitch on March 01, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
Are there any specific aspects that sent you over the edge rather than just the what-ifs?

One thing that bugs me is losing 10% charge on the cradle would be infuriating if I were about to take it out for awhile. That's around 20-30min of playtime lost and it's already too Game Gearish. Is it going to be fixed with a patch?
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: lolmonade on March 01, 2017, 01:59:12 PM
Are there any specific aspects that sent you over the edge rather than just the what-ifs?

One thing that bugs me is losing 10% charge on the cradle would be infuriating if I were about to take it out for awhile. That's around 20-30min of playtime lost and it's already too Game Gearish. Is it going to be fixed with a patch?


Is that even something that can be fixed with a patch?  It sounds more like a simple case of the system consuming more power while running an intensive game than it can make up for while plugged in. 


...I think this system is going to teach many people here to be mindful of how necessary it is to keep things plugged in while not in use.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on March 01, 2017, 02:02:17 PM
I found out a buddy of mine is going to scalp 6 (Switch consoles)
Your buddy is a dick. Stop being friends.

If people had patience and just waited for more stock to come in at a later date, the scalper would have no one to sell to with a higher mark-up. Then he'd be stuck with 5 extra consoles he'd have to try and sell at cost or maybe under to unload them. That would be best revenge on a scalper. Unfortunately, some people will pay whatever it takes because waiting for a later time is somehow inconceivable to them.

I'm content to sit this first year out if need be.

Well, these forums will have no use for you. See you in 2018.

These forums have never had a use for me but that hasn't stopped me for 10 years.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on March 01, 2017, 03:14:14 PM
Are there any specific aspects that sent you over the edge rather than just the what-ifs?

One thing that bugs me is losing 10% charge on the cradle would be infuriating if I were about to take it out for awhile. That's around 20-30min of playtime lost and it's already too Game Gearish. Is it going to be fixed with a patch?

The joy-con sync thing is one. Kohler was very strong about it in his review.  The battery life and charge issue you mentioned are also concerns.  People keep saying the kickstand is ****, but no one is saying it breaks, just that it feels flimsy; so not a major one.  Not being able to play in sunlight despite cranking up the brightness bothers me on the portability front.

The overall "meh" from a lot of reviews makes me think that what's there won't be enough to distract me from what isn't.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on March 01, 2017, 03:50:49 PM
I figured Nintendo would flub some stuff up but I figured it would be more policy type of stuff - weird online setup, weak specs, high price, etc.  I would never assume the hardware would have issues, just like I normally don't expect Nintendo games to be buggy.  The left joycan unsync sounds serious enough that I think it would be foolish to adopt this early.  And if the battery drains while playing in the dock then does that mean you could have the battery run out on your "home" console while you're playing?  That would be pretty damn ridiculous.

I feel like Nintendo needed to be near perfect to have a chance and they buggered that up months ago but this is really looking bad.  Buggy unfinished hardware at an inflated price with a sparse initial lineup of games where the big game is not even an exclusive?  That's not looking good at all.  This is going to be a rough road for Nintendo to weather the initial storm.

I'm jazzed for Zelda... but I won't be playing it on a Switch.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: KeyBilly on March 01, 2017, 04:07:42 PM
I don't know the engineering reasons, but I have noticed that some devices use power directly when plugged in (no battery is even needed) and others use the battery for power even when charging.  In both cases, the battery is being charged when plugged in, but the latter could cause issues like this.  I also wonder if it causes more wear on the battery to charge it at the same time as it is being used.  Seems like it could be problematic as the Switch ages.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ThePerm on March 01, 2017, 04:18:15 PM
the joycon thing is peoples hands blocking the signal. Not a nice thing to have to deal with, but not the end of the world. Also, when in the dog-ear thing(grip) does it even do that?

I remember during the Wii era people whining about why does the nunchuck need to be corded? Well, we now know why.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: King of Twitch on March 01, 2017, 04:27:12 PM
the joycon thing is peoples hands blocking the signal. Not a nice thing to have to deal with, but not the end of the world.


But you need the signal to control... the controller  :confused;
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Ian Sane on March 01, 2017, 04:30:26 PM
I find it odd that it's just the left joycon.  What is specific to it that would make it a problem and not the right one?  You figure that in regards to syncing the two would function identically.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: KeyBilly on March 01, 2017, 04:33:07 PM
I can see the hand or body blocking the signal in situations where people are curled up or sprawled out on the couch or bed, which the disconnected controllers would be perfect for.  I would be more likely to do this under a blanket when the weather is cold.  Hopefully, it is just an issue with the controllers being in a low power mode or something that can be patched.

I am a little more worried about it because the Pro controller is too expensive to buy for a while.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: ThePerm on March 01, 2017, 04:34:06 PM
the joycon thing is peoples hands blocking the signal. Not a nice thing to have to deal with, but not the end of the world.


But you need the signal to control... the controller  :confused;

There is a way to hold it apparently that stops this problem. This channel got to the bottom of it


does anyone remember how perfect the Gamecube controller was? It wasn't perfect. The B Button sticks ,and every once in a while if you give a good twist to the plastic you can unstick it.


and it isn't just the Left Joycon. It just seems to be a problem more on the left joycon. If you take the right joycon and put it behind your back it does the same thing. The right joycon has an nfc reader in it and probably has a stronger transmitter.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on March 01, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
I don't think Nintendo can afford having "You're holding it wrong" as an explanation for anything at this stage.

And if the battery drains while playing in the dock then does that mean you could have the battery run out on your "home" console while you're playing?  That would be pretty damn ridiculous.

The review where this was brought up said the Switch never went below 88%.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on March 01, 2017, 05:28:17 PM
Once again, people complain about having huge homes and having to be close to their screen.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: KeyBilly on March 01, 2017, 06:07:34 PM
Huge home?  Is an 8' room length so big?  I guess it depends on where you're from.  I personally live in a porta potty.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Evan_B on March 01, 2017, 06:08:29 PM
I literally live in a port-a-potty. This is just one-percenters on their soapbox!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: KeyBilly on March 01, 2017, 06:13:38 PM
Let's move our Porta Potties into the same landfill and play some Switch.  No haters allowed.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: pokepal148 on March 01, 2017, 06:56:22 PM
the joycon thing is peoples hands blocking the signal. Not a nice thing to have to deal with, but not the end of the world. Also, when in the dog-ear thing(grip) does it even do that?
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Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Soren on March 01, 2017, 07:35:48 PM
Speaking of Apple

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Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: nickmitch on March 02, 2017, 11:34:01 AM
That's hilarious.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: decoyman on March 03, 2017, 11:57:54 AM
Well, despite not having bought a new system since Wii launch, I had to choose the top option.

Came for the Zelda, will stay for whatever else shows up.

P.S. – Hey erybody!
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: RarityGamer on March 05, 2017, 01:12:26 AM
I get the feeling the Switch will enjoy a little bit of fun on release, but once the honeymoon period is over the drawbacks will start to sink in and Nintendo will be back where they started with the Wii u. It'll probably get a bit more success, but not much.

It honestly feels like there's two teams at Nintendo behind everything they do. One has their heads glued on correctly, the other still thinks the casual market are still with them so insanity must occur.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Khushrenada on September 13, 2017, 09:46:50 PM
Well, as soon as this current Direct ended, my first though was pretty much Screw you, Wii U! Nintendo is really bringing it with the Switch. They clearly don't want to ever go through a Wii U period again anytime soon.

Which means, it is time for the 6 month bump! Half a year after Switch released, what are the current opinions? Just think, at this time last year, we still called it the NX and had no idea what it looked like or what the games on it might be aside from the suspicion that BotW may be ported to it.

For myself, I've always been positive about buying it but it's been a half-hearted attitude since I've never felt any strong compulsion to do so. But I'm definitely buying a Switch now. As much as I tell myself that maybe I should wait things out and get some better deals down the road or play through my backlog, I want to get on this Switch train much sooner now. The console still isn't perfect but, my goodness, the software for this thing is really proving that the games available on a console are the most important thing and other amenities be damned.

I'm wondering if some of the people who were on the wait-and-see side or negative side have now "Switch"ed on their previous position and are ready to give Nintendo all their monies as well.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 14, 2017, 12:53:53 AM
I was always going to buy since there's a ton of games on it I want but wanted to finish my Wii U and 3DS backlog first since I have dozens of games still left to play. But after the Direct I think I'm going to buy one when Mario Odyssey is released since HOLY **** that game just keeps getting more and more amazing every time I see it.  I'll go back to my Wii U and 3DS backlog after I 100% Odyssey but that's the kind of game I can't wait several months to play, I need it as soon as it launches.
Title: Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?
Post by: Mop it up on September 14, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
My opinion remains the same, which is that the system itself is too bare-bones and I don't really care about the portability aspect, but the upcoming lineup looks good.

The only thing that has changed is that the upcoming lineup is now six months closer.