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Re: Splatoon!!
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2014, 07:06:58 PM »
The art style looks messy.  And I like it.  It's almost sloppy and displeasing, which kinda fits the tone.

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Re: Splatoon!!
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2014, 07:19:26 PM »
Wow.  I knew this would happen.  Nintendo makes a multiplayer shooter that is very Nintendo.  It is fun original, perhaps a little simple, but with an interesting unique gimmick, and people complain because it is not mature enough.  Well tough, STOP BEING A NINTENDO FAN...because you have outgrown Nintendo.  Everyone knows who Nintendo is and what games they make. 

Personally, the only reason the gaming industry is interesting to me is because of Nintendo and developers that have more of a Nintendo like voice in the industry.  These big action kill fests can be fun, but are often soul-less. 

I was thinking about Splatoon and possible different modes of play.

Here are some I came up with.

1) Winner has the least paint on the field.  This takes the concept and switches.  When you take out the enemy you explode them into their color.  The game then becomes about precision shots and deciding when to paint for yourself to have speedy traversing.  To ensure that the game still progresses, you could easily have the either the splat from a kill be extremely big...or have you earn points or special attacks on the field putting the opponents paint on the field.

2) Cover a base.  This game you only get rewarded for covering the base of your opponent.  The base can be a larger area and the first person to cover the entire base, or has the largest percentage at the end of the round wins.

3) NPC madness:  Somebody mentioned having Mario with Fludd run around and clean the field.  Awesome idea.  So lets add a cleaning police force that is trying to clean the field all the time. 

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Re: Splatoon!!
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2014, 08:04:48 PM »
Wow.  I knew this would happen.  Nintendo makes a multiplayer shooter that is very Nintendo.  It is fun original, perhaps a little simple, but with an interesting unique gimmick, and people complain because it is not mature enough.  Well tough, STOP BEING A NINTENDO FAN...because you have outgrown Nintendo.  Everyone knows who Nintendo is and what games they make. 

Bullshit.  Nintendo made Metroid.  They published Perfeck Dark and Eternal Darkness.  They make Xenoblade and Fire Emblem.  Nintendo has made games with all sorts of visual styles.  Hell Zelda covers multiple styles within one series.  If you associate Nintendo with making cutesy looking kids games it is only because they've focused more and more on games in that style in the Iwata era.

I don't need some gorefest here but something more like Metroid Prime Hunters in terms of style would be more up my alley.  The blatant non-violence of shooting paint and the children main characters is too much for me.  It's like some parody of what non-Nintendo fans would have expected during the PS1/N64 days.  This style reminds me of Billy Hatcher for a Gamecube which is a good example of a visual style that is probably trying to have Mario-style universal appeal but gets it wrong and caters too young.

Besides it's kind of bizarre to suggest that I outgrew Nintendo in my 30's when I had not done so in teens, an age where I would almostly certainly be more superficial and more concerned with looking "mature".

Though I can't but feel that if Nintendo had even remotely acceptable third party support their games wouldn't face such scrutiny.  This ain't just a "kiddy" shooter, it's the ONLY notable shooter of any sort on the Wii U.  You play Splatoon or you don't play and I think this is lame as effectively the ONLY option for the genre.  If they had better third party support I wouldn't care.  I never gave a **** when Nintendo released something that wasn't quite up my alley on the NES and SNES because there was a million other games to play.  I didn't have to rely on them to supply almost everything.

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« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2014, 08:33:34 PM »
Well tough, STOP BEING A NINTENDO FAN...because you have outgrown Nintendo.

I completely disagree with this statement.

Anyone who says "I don't want to play a game because it looks kiddy" hasn't grown up enough.
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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2014, 09:19:18 PM »
Here's the million dollar question--will this game have voicechat?  Nintendo stance on voicechat is going be the dealbreaker IMO.

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« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2014, 09:27:04 PM »
I like the art style not just on its own merit but because it's new and different. It really stands out among a sea of similar-looking games. I love Nintendo's tendency to to do their own thing and not feel constrained by whatever everyone else is doing.
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« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2014, 09:52:33 PM »
This ain't just a "kiddy" shooter, it's the ONLY notable shooter of any sort on the Wii U.
And basically every fan of shooters already owns either a PS4 or XBOne.  And buys their shooters there.  What would a more realistic shooter do for Nintendo?  The fans of those games would largely ignore it because they'd rather play shooters on their other systems.  The people who only own a Wii U, like myself, probably don't have an interest in those games for the most part.  They could make an awesome shooter and it'd be a niche title or they can do what they've done and appeal to a lot more of the people who own their systems.

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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2014, 10:52:18 PM »
Looks interesting but that artstyle is terrible. It is just an awful turn off.
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« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2014, 10:53:20 PM »
They could make an awesome shooter and it'd be a niche title or they can do what they've done and appeal to a lot more of the people who own their systems.
True. It makes sense to do something very different than what's offered on other consoles that are full of games of that genre. And if one is going to argue, "You play Splatoon or you don't play," understand that the opposite is also true if Splatoon wasn't a "kiddy" shooter. You play [not Splatoon] or you don't play.
I like the art style not just on its own merit but because it's new and different. It really stands out among a sea of similar-looking games. I love Nintendo's tendency to to do their own thing and not feel constrained by whatever everyone else is doing.
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« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2014, 11:42:54 PM »
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« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2014, 11:44:32 PM »
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« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2014, 12:31:04 AM »
Ian, the thing is the game you listed were published by Nintendo, but not made by Nintendo.  They were all second party games.  I also don't mind if Nintendo does more realistic things, but I don't expect...nor do I really desire it.  But, lets look at one of those selections Metroid...and lets look at the games created in house at Nintendo the 2D games.  There is definitely atmosphere and "edgy" "moody" feel to the game.  It definitely appeals to an older audience, but nothing makes it appeal to a younger audience either. 

That is the Nintendo magic.  Most games created by Nintendo are fully accessible by all age group, genders, gamer group (casual, hardcore...ect) Nintendo doesn't compromise this belief...and Splatoon is a perfect example.

The game looks fun.  Anyone can play it...and it creates a vibrant, fun world, anyone can be a part of.  And where you say, "Look it is kiddie, and a simulation of a simulation."  I say NOPE.  I have never seen people in real War or real War simulations turn into squids and climb up walls or swim to pop up behind someone and take them about.  Maybe to you that is childish and not engaging game play.  To me it sounds fun, light, whimsical...something I completely enjoy in my video games. 

Now, maybe I am harsh about the stop being a Nintendo fan.  Obviously that is hyperbole to the max.  But seriously, this has been over a 6-8 year trend of who and what Nintendo is.  So it should not shock you.


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Re: Splatoon!!
« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2014, 08:57:05 AM »
Honestly guys, why do you even argue with Ian anymore? He's going to hate on any and every Nintendo IP no matter what just because it's Nintendo, and then come up with his own reasons outside of that.

It's a "simulation of a simulation"? Last I checked, paintball is played with paintBALLS, not tanks of ink. And you certainly can't parkour through that ink and it's more about the welts than the turf war. I know others have mentioned it, but of you don't like Splatoon, there is Devil's Third and the CoD shooters on Wii U. Ah, bit Devil's Third is probably "too bland" or "looks like a PS3 game" and CoD is CoD. That must be the reason you haven't addressed those posts.
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Re: Splatoon!!
« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2014, 09:02:30 AM »
To be fair, we don't know if House of CoDs is even coming this year.
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« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2014, 09:38:12 AM »
There's two other CoD games on Wii U already.
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« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2014, 12:17:32 PM »
But seriously, this has been over a 6-8 year trend of who and what Nintendo is.  So it should not shock you.

No it doesn't shock me but I just don't like the style they went with this game.  And I don't even think of the Nintendo of the last 6 to 8 years as the "real" Nintendo anyway.  I don't want Nintendo to act like they have for the last 6 to 8 years.  That's the Nintendo struggling for relevency while their console bombs.

That is the Nintendo magic.  Most games created by Nintendo are fully accessible by all age group, genders, gamer group (casual, hardcore...ect) Nintendo doesn't compromise this belief...and Splatoon is a perfect example.

This is kind of making my point for me.  I don't see this as a game for all audiences.  We agree that that's Nintendo's typical routine but I'm saying that the style of this game ISN'T for all ages but rather for kids.  That's what turns me off about it.  You may see it differently but I'm turned off because to me it looks like a kids game, instead of an all-ages game like Mario is.  Or Nintendo is trying for all ages but they're missing the mark, at least in my eyes anyway.

And basically every fan of shooters already owns either a PS4 or XBOne.  And buys their shooters there.  What would a more realistic shooter do for Nintendo?  The fans of those games would largely ignore it because they'd rather play shooters on their other systems.  The people who only own a Wii U, like myself, probably don't have an interest in those games for the most part.  They could make an awesome shooter and it'd be a niche title or they can do what they've done and appeal to a lot more of the people who own their systems.

You think Nintendo has to resort to paint and kid protagonists to make an original shooter?  And appealling to people who own a Wii U is idiotic because it's selling like dogshit.  Nintendo should be trying to win over people that DON'T own a Wii U.  Playing to a Wii U owners is playing to a niche market.  Nintendo's last financial report was a huge disaster.  Nintendo will go broke appealing to the existing Wii U market.

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« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2014, 02:31:43 PM »
Stop pretending people don't know how to be cautious about a console. The PS3 was no financial wonder either, the difference with it and the Wii U is that the Wii U doesn't sell for a loss and it has games that you think are gritty and appealing enough for you.

If aesthetics are enough to mar your enjoyment of a title this much, you should probably stop complaining about Nintendo games. The Nintendo that has "struggled for relevancy" in the past 6-8 years is a company that has put out great products and been financially successful. Now they're trying new IPs and different thins and you still seem to have a problem with it. I mean, I'm certainly more interested in playing Splatoon because it's not trying so desperately hard to be generic, and a lot of people seem to share the feeling. But as I asked before, have you checked out Devil's Third? Because that seems to be something down your alley a bit more, unless you want to complain about how it will never sell.

I've been frequenting this site for around four or five years now an I cannot remember a single time where I've seen you post something positive about a new announcement. I don't think that Nintendo is infallible and I have been quite negative about them as of late myself, but I really don't think that you have the same feelings. I think you would rather focus on every aspect that the company makes which offends you. If that's how it's gotta be than whatever, but I'm just saying video games are not about appealing directly to you. That's an awfully entitled and close-minded way of approaching things and I'm just gonna leave it at that because I rarely post on this site as is but it's this sort of discussion that made me leave in the first place.
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Re: Splatoon!!
« Reply #67 on: June 13, 2014, 05:19:14 PM »
I don't need some gorefest here but something more like Metroid Prime Hunters in terms of style would be more up my alley.  The blatant non-violence of shooting paint and the children main characters is too much for me.  It's like some parody of what non-Nintendo fans would have expected during the PS1/N64 days.  This style reminds me of Billy Hatcher for a Gamecube which is a good example of a visual style that is probably trying to have Mario-style universal appeal but gets it wrong and caters too young.
I'm saying that the style of this game ISN'T for all ages but rather for kids.  That's what turns me off about it.  You may see it differently but I'm turned off because to me it looks like a kids game, instead of an all-ages game like Mario is.  Or Nintendo is trying for all ages but they're missing the mark, at least in my eyes anyway.
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You think Nintendo has to resort to paint and kid protagonists to make an original shooter?

I suggest you watch some of the developer interviews from the treehouse about the game before you bash the style. They clearly said that they didn't start out of how to make a "Nintendo shooter" and made it paintball to be kid friendly. Instead they came up with a fast paced "Jet Set Radio" with super-soakers filled with paint idea that morphed into a shooter. The character designs were the last thing they came up with and they don't really have much room from what they currently have now and some ugly tentacle monster that looks like it came straight out lovecraft. On the other hand, they could have easily went far kiddier with magical squid suits and the like.
 
Though I can't but feel that if Nintendo had even remotely acceptable third party support their games wouldn't face such scrutiny.  This ain't just a "kiddy" shooter, it's the ONLY notable shooter of any sort on the Wii U.  You play Splatoon or you don't play and I think this is lame as effectively the ONLY option for the genre.  If they had better third party support I wouldn't care.  I never gave a **** when Nintendo released something that wasn't quite up my alley on the NES and SNES because there was a million other games to play.  I didn't have to rely on them to supply almost everything.

They do, it's called Devil's Third:

Nintendo even straight out told them to not be conservative with it nor to hold back. They said similar stuff with Bayonetta designs too. Nintendo doesn't care about aiming for the E friendly or M style but rather the style that fits the game. With Splatoons, a wacky artwork style fits the wacky gameplay idea they came up with.
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« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2014, 09:59:26 PM »
I get amazed each time when i find out that not only there are people who are still reading Sane's posts, but that some of them get baited into actual responses.
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« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2014, 10:17:34 PM »
To be fair, Nintendo did help make the console FPS popular especially as a multiplayer activity with Goldeneye on N64. So I can see there still being some people who associate that game with Nintendo.
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« Reply #70 on: June 14, 2014, 11:55:37 AM »
I read and respond to Ian Sane, because I actually like his responses most of the time.  He does have valid points.  We just disagree. 

I am just sad, because I wonder if he stresses himself out, worrying about the old Nintendo.

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« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2014, 06:51:25 PM »
I think Ian has good posts. :(
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« Reply #72 on: June 14, 2014, 09:54:11 PM »
Ian does have good posts with legitimate arguments sometimes, but at other times he just seems to be complaining for complaining's sake.
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Re: Splatoon!!
« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2014, 12:18:46 AM »
I think the game looks fun, fun enough to push me over the edge into getting the console. Even fun enough that I hope it sells well enough to not only get sequels but become one of the regular franchises in the future. Nintendo has this curse ever since the NES days, they make a slew of games and gamers want sequels to those games but they also want new games but then after a while they don't want sequels anymore just new stuff but then the new stuff gets sequels and it starts all over.
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« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2014, 11:37:20 AM »
It would be interesting if they had a "cleanup crew" mode where someone ran around and undid the paint that the other teams were making. I could see Mario appear as a DLC character.


I am in a camp similar to Ian of just not being terribly interested in this game. A lot of the right elements seem to be there but it is just not clicking for me.


Or maybe I'm just so overwhelmed with all the great games coming in the next two years that I just have to start prioritizing what I can afford to purchase.
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