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Title: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 09:07:28 AM
It seems that Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IV is considered the best games ever by a lot of people I haven't played them yet. Trying to figure which version to get.
Wait for them on VC.
Get the DS Versions: http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-IV-Nintendo-DS/dp/B00184219U/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1303045039&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-IV-Nintendo-DS/dp/B00184219U/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1303045039&sr=1-2) and http://www.amazon.com/Chrono-Trigger-Nintendo-DS/dp/B001E27DLM/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1303045349&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Chrono-Trigger-Nintendo-DS/dp/B001E27DLM/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1303045349&sr=1-1)
Get the PS Compilation Disc: http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-Chronicles-Chrono-Trigger-Playstation/dp/B00005LOXE/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1303045482&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-Chronicles-Chrono-Trigger-Playstation/dp/B00005LOXE/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1303045482&sr=1-2)
Get his uber collection: http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-Classic-Collection-Trigger-Playstation/dp/B000F7W916/ref=sr_1_6?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1303045536&sr=1-6 (http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-Classic-Collection-Trigger-Playstation/dp/B000F7W916/ref=sr_1_6?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1303045536&sr=1-6)
I'm leaning towards the DS game because of the time it will take to complete these games be easier to carve out on a portable with only 1 Viable TV in the house.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Mop it up on April 17, 2011, 02:51:48 PM
Waiting for the VC release of Chrono Trigger would probably be the cheapest option. The DS version looks pretty solid, but one of the best parts of the game is the music which would take a huge hit in sound quality coming out of the pitiful DS speakers.
If you have a PSP then the Final Fantasy IV Complete Collection is the way to go. Otherwise, the PlayStation version is a better choice, as I believe it received a better translation than the original SNES version. Though I think the GBA version has a similar translation, so it may be the choice for you if you want a portable version.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: broodwars on April 17, 2011, 02:52:24 PM
There's really nothing wrong with the original version of Chrono Trigger, and it's the version I would recommend picking up if you can wait for it. Now, Chrono Trigger had minor translation issues that got tightened up in later retranslations, but they were so minor that it doesn't matter all that much IMO. And hey, you can enjoy Crono passing out from "eating too much soup" instead of "getting totally smashed on Sake". :P: : : :
Looking at the DS port of Chrono Trigger, honestly the things they added didn't really improve the game much. You have 2 new dungeons (including one cut from the original game), but neither of them are altogether well-done and one of them is a pure chore to work through due to constant backtracking. There's a new ending as well that tries again to make Chrono Cross relevant, but it's nothing special really. There's a new monster arena mini-game added for the DS version, but it sucks so it's not worth bothering with. The DS version also adds the anime FMVs from the Playstation version, which are kind of neat but the problem is that they play alongside their original SNES cutscenes (so you see the same scenes twice in a row). Finally, I don't know why (and you would only even notice or care that this was changed if you were a huge Chrono Trigger fan) but there was this one audio effect removed from the game for the Playstation and DS versions of the game. It was this little "WOOSH!" sound and visual effect that would always play when you had a screen wipe during a dramatic moment (such as in the attract mode demo and the Rainbow Shell quest), and it was replaced with no sound effect and just the screen fading out. Little things like that bug me about the DS version.
So yeah, wait for the VC version for CT. It's cheaper, you can play it on a big TV with a Classic Controller (Pro), and I pretty much prefer the original versions of that game. As for FF IV, I would probably recommend the GBA version if you can find it, or get the PSP collection that just released. The original version of FF IV just has major localization issues, some from Nintendo's inane censorship policies at the time and some from the then-Japan view on America not being able to handle difficult games.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: vudu on April 17, 2011, 06:45:39 PM
For Chrono Trigger it doesn't matter which version you play as long as you play it. The game's pretty much the same on SNES/VC and DS so play whatever's more convenient for you. If you do a lot of gaming on the go or if you play in short bursts the DS version might be your best bet. If you sit down on your couch to play for an hour at a time the VC/SNES version would probably be preferable.
For FF IV, it really depends on how much you like classic SNES RPGS. If you like them in their original version, get either the VC release or the GBA port. They're both good, but since they were released at the beginning of the SNES' life they're a touch more antiquated than Chrono Trigger. If you prefer a modern coat of paint on your classic RPG the DS version is going to suit you better. Are you planning on playing the games back-to-back (or in tandem)? If so, you might want to opt for the DS version of FF IV just so you don't burn out on classic RPGS.
And while you're at it, don't forget Dragon Quest V!
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Shaymin on April 17, 2011, 07:08:22 PM
For what it's worth in regards to FFIV, the PSP version has the GBA features/content and has the sequel built in, so that's probably the better value for money.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 08:22:44 PM
For Chrono Trigger it doesn't matter which version you play as long as you play it. The game's pretty much the same on SNES/VC and DS so play whatever's more convenient for you. If you do a lot of gaming on the go or if you play in short bursts the DS version might be your best bet. If you sit down on your couch to play for an hour at a time the VC/SNES version would probably be preferable.
For FF IV, it really depends on how much you like classic SNES RPGS. If you like them in their original version, get either the VC release or the GBA port. They're both good, but since they were released at the beginning of the SNES' life they're a touch more antiquated than Chrono Trigger. If you prefer a modern coat of paint on your classic RPG the DS version is going to suit you better. Are you planning on playing the games back-to-back (or in tandem)? If so, you might want to opt for the DS version of FF IV just so you don't burn out on classic RPGS.
And while you're at it, don't forget Dragon Quest V!
Oh lord I'll need to tackle the Dragon Quest series but my dirty secret is I hate Toriyama's art style even though I own most of Dr. Slump, Sand Land, and parts of Dragon Ball Z all on Manga. I enjoy his writing in Manga form (though I do like his gas mask robot self and the Slimes. Long Live Rocket slime :P.)
Probably play them one at a time is the DS version of FF:IV that different? I haven't really seen anyone recommend it.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: broodwars on April 17, 2011, 10:19:54 PM
Probably play them one at a time is the DS version of FF:IV that different? I haven't really seen anyone recommend it.
I can't say I care for the ugly polygonal graphic style of FF IV DS. The FF III DS engine is just too bad on so many levels to make anything look good. On top of that, going with the DS version you lose the bonus dungeons and party customization options from the GBA/PSP versions. In return, you gain mediocre voice acting and the ability to give your party members certain skills that belong to other party members. Whatever. Definitely go with either the PSP or GBA versions, as they're the best versions of that game.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 10:33:44 PM
Probably play them one at a time is the DS version of FF:IV that different? I haven't really seen anyone recommend it.
I can't say I care for the ugly polygonal graphic style of FF IV DS. The FF III DS engine is just too bad on so many levels to make anything look good. On top of that, going with the DS version you lose the bonus dungeons and party customization options from the GBA/PSP versions. In return, you gain mediocre voice acting and the ability to give your party members certain skills that belong to other party members. Whatever. Definitely go with either the PSP or GBA versions, as they're the best versions of that game.
$70 Bucks new or $36 dollars used... Wow... It was FF2 on the US SNES right? There are used SNES copies going for $25...
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: broodwars on April 18, 2011, 12:46:12 AM
Probably play them one at a time is the DS version of FF:IV that different? I haven't really seen anyone recommend it.
I can't say I care for the ugly polygonal graphic style of FF IV DS. The FF III DS engine is just too bad on so many levels to make anything look good. On top of that, going with the DS version you lose the bonus dungeons and party customization options from the GBA/PSP versions. In return, you gain mediocre voice acting and the ability to give your party members certain skills that belong to other party members. Whatever. Definitely go with either the PSP or GBA versions, as they're the best versions of that game.
$70 Bucks new or $36 dollars used... Wow... It was FF2 on the US SNES right? There are used SNES copies going for $25...
If you really want the SNES version, just buy the Virtual Console version for $8. I don't recommend it, though, when there are far superior versions on the market.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 18, 2011, 12:51:12 AM
Wait for the 3DS version.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 18, 2011, 08:22:39 AM
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: ejamer on April 18, 2011, 08:59:08 AM
For the old Final Fantasy games (IV through VI) my favorite way to play by far is with the GBA remakes and a Game Boy Micro. You get a great conversion of the originals, a few minor extras, and absolutely the most portable package possible. That might not be an option for you though.
I do strongly recommend portable versions because the games become extremely easy to carry with you and play whenever you've got a break. Classic RPGs are great this way.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 18, 2011, 09:15:18 AM
Ok I just put in a bid for the GBA version of FF:IV for $20. Chrono Trigger only had the DS remake right? Might just wait till VC, or better yet 3DS VC Make it happen Nintendo. The auction of FF:IV only has 4 hrs left on it so I feel good about winning it. Now I just need to find my DS light, I could just play it on me DS Phat too (the touch screen went kaputt) Even better yet go old school and pull out my original Indigo GBA. That would probably be the best way I just have to find it.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 18, 2011, 01:36:16 PM
Ok FF:IV GBA is on its way. Lets see how long it takes. I found after I bidded I could get it cheaper at Amazon...
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 18, 2011, 04:32:46 PM
Not that I'm aware of. But there's a strong possibility there will be one somewhere down the road.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Mop it up on April 18, 2011, 05:50:48 PM
Sure, but with the Square tax it will cost $50, so there's no reason to wait when there are already perfectly fine versions out there.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Sundoulos on April 18, 2011, 07:50:04 PM
One slight word of caution about the Final Fantasy GBA games...those Square Enix GBA carts have been heavily pirated. Don't let too much time go by before playing it and trying to store some save data. I almost got burned by an ebay seller who gave me pirated copy of a Final Fantasy VI; I put in about 30-45 minutes into it before I discovered that I couldn't save. Grrr... I argued with the guy for a while, but finally got my money back after letting him know that I could show proof that it was a pirated cartridge.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: MegaByte on April 18, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
Though they added some cool FMV, the PlayStation versions have terrible battle load times that ruin the experience.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 18, 2011, 08:23:41 PM
One slight word of caution about the Final Fantasy GBA games...those Square Enix GBA carts have been heavily pirated. Don't let too much time go by before playing it and trying to store some save data. I almost got burned by an ebay seller who gave me pirated copy of a Final Fantasy VI; I put in about 30-45 minutes into it before I discovered that I couldn't save. Grrr... I argued with the guy for a while, but finally got my money back after letting him know that I could show proof that it was a pirated cartridge.
That's what happened to me when I ordered Super Mario Galaxy on ebay. Someone on there was selling a bunch of copies and I got a fairly good deal. What I received was obviously some burned/pirated piece of crap with some mario stuff printed on it which was obviously done on someone's printer or something and there was no case or manual. I was so pissed. I reported him to ebay and also to Nintendo and I also gave him negative feedback and warned others. Apparently other people he sold too were pissed off as well because he got similar feedback from others.
On the bright side, I did get a full refund though. He told me to just "throw it in the trash" which I did. There was no way I was paying shipping to ship it back. My advice if you get pirated stuff off ebay is at least report it to ebay and that way you will get your money back. Ebay doesn't tolerate that **** and will come down hard on sellers guilty of it. You should also report it to Nintendo because they will investigate it further.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 18, 2011, 08:45:58 PM
Its suppose to be sealed in the box. So hopefully its legit. I'll try it when I get to it. Is the first Save point far?
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Mop it up on April 18, 2011, 08:47:09 PM
You can save anywhere on the world map, and if I remember rightly, you'll get out to the map pretty quickly.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Adrock on April 19, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
If you have a PSP, you might want to look into Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collections aka the 958367280936 time FFIV has been remade. It's the original FFIV, the After Years, and an quasi-interquel scenario that bridges the gap between the 2. PSP game prices drop pretty quickly or if you want to be a jerkass, you can always pirate it since that's the only reason 99% of people who have PSP even own one.
I would get the DS version of Chrono Trigger. It's $20 new now and has extra stuff, none of it is terribly great but extra is extra. And you won't have to bother yourself with replacing the SNES cart battery which you should probably do if you win a bid on a 16 year old cartridge so you don't risk losing your save data.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 08:58:47 AM
I don't have aPSP or I probably get thtat.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: vudu on April 20, 2011, 02:39:20 PM
FF IV for GBA is a pretty good port. The only real problem with it is there'a bug that sometimes lets characters (both yours and enemies) attack twice in a row without any wait time. It's not game breaking, but it can be annoying.
If you have any problems with the copy of the game you bought let know because I have a complete copy I'd be willing to part with. ;)
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: MegaByte on April 20, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
I've been trying to get a hold of the Euro version since they fixed a bunch of bugs.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: that Baby guy on April 20, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
There's really nothing wrong with the original version of Chrono Trigger, and it's the version I would recommend picking up if you can wait for it. Now, Chrono Trigger had minor translation issues that got tightened up in later retranslations, but they were so minor that it doesn't matter all that much IMO. And hey, you can enjoy Crono passing out from "eating too much soup" instead of "getting totally smashed on Sake". :P: : : :
Looking at the DS port of Chrono Trigger, honestly the things they added didn't really improve the game much. You have 2 new dungeons (including one cut from the original game), but neither of them are altogether well-done and one of them is a pure chore to work through due to constant backtracking. There's a new ending as well that tries again to make Chrono Cross relevant, but it's nothing special really. There's a new monster arena mini-game added for the DS version, but it sucks so it's not worth bothering with. The DS version also adds the anime FMVs from the Playstation version, which are kind of neat but the problem is that they play alongside their original SNES cutscenes (so you see the same scenes twice in a row). Finally, I don't know why (and you would only even notice or care that this was changed if you were a huge Chrono Trigger fan) but there was this one audio effect removed from the game for the Playstation and DS versions of the game. It was this little "WOOSH!" sound and visual effect that would always play when you had a screen wipe during a dramatic moment (such as in the attract mode demo and the Rainbow Shell quest), and it was replaced with no sound effect and just the screen fading out. Little things like that bug me about the DS version.
So yeah, wait for the VC version for CT. It's cheaper, you can play it on a big TV with a Classic Controller (Pro), and I pretty much prefer the original versions of that game. As for FF IV, I would probably recommend the GBA version if you can find it, or get the PSP collection that just released. The original version of FF IV just has major localization issues, some from Nintendo's inane censorship policies at the time and some from the then-Japan view on America not being able to handle difficult games.
This isn't really accurate. They added at least four new dungeons, several new bosses, new ways to get tabs, a way to up some stats that couldn't be boosted before, and a lot of other stuff. Some of the dungeons aren't so great, but otherwise work well for the game. Overall, it's the best version released so far. If you can find it, and you think you'd be interested, pick it up. If not, stick with the SNES version, because the PSX one has terrible loading times.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2011, 09:36:50 PM
Ok I got FF:IV in and it seems to save. Though I had to go with Plan C and play it on my DS Phat.
A. DS Lite B. GBA Original C. DS Phat D. GCN GBA Player
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: vudu on April 21, 2011, 09:58:17 PM
Won't it play on your Lite?
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2011, 10:48:50 PM
This isn't really accurate. They added at least four new dungeons, several new bosses, new ways to get tabs, a way to up some stats that couldn't be boosted before, and a lot of other stuff. Some of the dungeons aren't so great, but otherwise work well for the game. Overall, it's the best version released so far. If you can find it, and you think you'd be interested, pick it up. If not, stick with the SNES version, because the PSX one has terrible loading times.
I combined 3 of the dungeons into one (and the two Prehistoric dungeons into one as well) when I talked about them because they are just extensions of the same two quests, and they're just remixed versions of existing environments anyway. None of the dungeons were all that fun to go through in my experience, though it was nice to hear one of the missing musical tracks from the original CT score finally used there. I don't remember the new way to get tabs, but whatever. The game's easy enough that you really don't need those tabs anyway. As for the "new bosses", I can only remember two new bosses: one of which is tied to one of the new dungeons, and another that's part of the new DS-exclusive ending. I don't remember finding either boss all that notable, especially the one that's part of Square-Enix's eternal struggle to force us to accept Chrono Cross as a legitimate sequel to Trigger.
With the original SNES version of CT already confirmed for the Virtual Console in two regions (and highly likely to reach our NA one at some point this year), I just can't recommend picking up the DS version when the things the DS version really didn't add much that improved the game and the VC version will be cheaper anyway. Now, if we weren't extremely likely to get the game on the VC, sure I'd recommend the DS version in a heartbeat (especially over the craptacular PS1 version).
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: ejamer on April 22, 2011, 12:42:32 PM
This made me laugh. Totally understand where you are coming from.
I should've been more careful earlier. My recommendation earlier was really more about playing classic Square RPGs on the GBA Micro than about that particular version of the game... the DS or GBA versions both have advantages, and which one is "better" probably depends on if you like "true to the original" classics or revamped versions. But it is a great version that plays well - so your certainly didn't make a bad choice!
Hope you enjoy the game!
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2011, 01:52:15 PM
So far I'm in the Cave after Cecil possible love interest Rosa is sick and you need to get through it to get the Something ruby to cure her. I've gotten the old man and to the save point in the cave.
I like how Cecil isn't a hero from nowhere he is a hero. He has a past. Fate may had picked him but, its fairly obvious he's actually qualified for the job. I'm not in love with the battle system.
I like it fine because its what I expected. What gets me the most about it is Magic is so powerful and the game knows it so, its meterred out accordingly. My summoner lady can kill 1 maybe 2 enemies and effectively be out of Mana. The costs are way high. While Cecil on the other hand may not do 860 damage to a monster but normally kills them in 2-3 swipes now. What this leads to is most fights are just pressing attack while watching Cecil health so far.
The biggest exception was the Mist dragon that was clever with the wait phase. Also Jump is a little OP, sad I lost that character.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2011, 03:23:16 PM
OMG Ran into Zombies... There Eat Mize MP...
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 22, 2011, 03:37:07 PM
What is the place you are in currently called?
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2011, 03:53:04 PM
Underground Waterway. After picking it up again it seems my characters have more MP than before.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 22, 2011, 04:03:20 PM
Yeah there is a camp site in there where you can heal your HP and MP if you use a tent. The majority of the monsters in there is weak to Thunder. I tended to use one Magic user and the other two would use normal attacks until that first magic user has running low on MP then I would swap up the roles. That tended to make the 2 magic users magic slightly more lasting. Be sure to check out the area before moving on to the next floor. There is some nice armors and weapons around.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2011, 04:08:04 PM
I found the Shadowblade and the Ice Rod. Crazy Hair Mage says I'm now where Uber Cave boss will be.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 22, 2011, 04:21:02 PM
Yeah just use thunder attacks on the boss and melee attacks with Cecil.Should be relatively quick to deal with.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2011, 09:54:52 PM
Got the Octopus down and Summoner Girl died right before the last hit... :( I'm know at Fabul Castle. Bard is useless and knows it. I wish they explain the abilities like "Heal" is use a potion on everyone. Bow and Arrow actually uses arrows...
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 22, 2011, 10:24:35 PM
Yeah I was slightly confused with the Aim ability when I started playing it.I figured that it was make Rosas melee attacks more accurate. Let me go over some that abilities that I recall.
Pray sometimes heals the party for free.Doesn't work all the time though.Aim which makes Rosa's bow attacks 100% accurate. Rydia's attacks tend to be both white and black Magic and she can summon monsters. Edward's abilitys are okay I guess. Sing has a higher chance of causing a status infliction than his normal attacks but Sing doesn't cause damage. Heal as you know uses one potion on everybody. Hide makes him run away from battle if his HP is low. Tellah the old sage has this ability called Recall which can make him use one of his spells that he forgot.
There is more characters in the game and they have different abilities.So I could mention the abilitys when you come across them.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2011, 08:05:28 AM
I've defended Fabul. Met the Monks Kick-ass wife and I was on a boat, With my Flippy Floppies. Boats gone but I'm Still Alive. Don't know about everyone else.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2011, 09:40:10 AM
Just got wonder twins. What does twin do except make them twiddle their thumbs the rest of the fight?
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Shaymin on April 23, 2011, 10:05:46 AM
Once they stop chanting, you get Meteor or a multi-target Flare.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
Lord almighty when do I get to buy Ether... This is sadistic, make enemies that can only be killed by magic then make my only mana recovery mechanisms be very limited...
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2011, 12:11:21 PM
Cecil evolve from dark knight to Undead Damager. (Paladin!) Crazy Old Man now properly equipped.
Lol now they tell me how to run...
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2011, 06:54:17 PM
I just got my airship and they said to go northwest but everyone I haven't been I can't land I may be doubling my play time wondering to find this place.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 23, 2011, 07:46:41 PM
Now that you have the Enterprise you might want to head to some old towns.Mist the town where you had to deliver the bomb ring has some items in the house up top of the city.There is secret passageways to find them.
Mythril has the best armor and weapons and be sure to check around the city for items. Mythril is south from Fabul or on an island east from Baron and a little north. Don't sell your old armor and weapons! Once done with getting items from previous places head to Troia which is just to the east of a waterfall on the northeastern coast of the Baron continent.There is only one place to land which is between the town and castle.
About you ether question you can buy it near the end of the game. In the meantime use the Osmose spell if you have it.It takes MP from the enemy.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Shaymin on April 23, 2011, 08:39:30 PM
There's a one-square landing area in the village in the northwest, if you're trying to get to where I think you're trying to get to.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2011, 09:42:08 PM
I found Asgart and I did go back to the town I bombed. I'll have to go see Mythril. I was at the right place the whole time it was getting the airship over that one square which was the problem. I've made it to the Magnetic cave and I'm trying to figure out how to Min-Max my characters with no metal... Its weird using a staff as Cecil. Thx for everything.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 23, 2011, 09:58:31 PM
The majority of the monsters in the Magnetic Cave are weak to Holy attacks. Give Cecil the Great Bow and some Holy Arrows.Holy arrows can be got from Agart at the weapon shop. Yangs claws are fine.Cid should have his Wooden Hammer and Tellah have a non metalic staff.Armor for Cecil and Cid should be Leather Garb, Feather cap and Ruby ring. Also make sure you have the item from Edward. He is in the Troia Castle.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Mop it up on April 24, 2011, 12:27:07 AM
It sounds like some of the characters have some new abilities compared to the SNES version. I've wanted to get a newer version of Final Fantasy II/IV since I heard the original translation was poorly done, and if the game has some new features then that sweetens the deal.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 24, 2011, 12:48:31 AM
Yeah the main new features for the game over other versions is that it has an area where you can get all the best weapons and armor for Cid,Yang,Palom,Edward and Porom. This area is near the end of the game. Also after you beat the game you can load up you file and there is an area where you can go through and get more items,bosses, and back story on characters.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on April 24, 2011, 08:09:09 AM
You know I actually haven't got any weapons for Yang. I haven't ran into anything he can equip. I just thought he used his fists.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 24, 2011, 03:31:08 PM
He uses Claws. Two can be equipped on him.If you head back to Fabul Castle you can get his 3 elemental claws. Thunder,Ice and Fire claws. Those are the only ones he can purchase the rest need to be got somewhere in world map. The claws doesn't have any attack on their own but rely on Yangs attack stat. The claws can have status effects on some while others are elemental.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2011, 10:43:54 AM
I got the Fairy Claws which are cool. I'm finally past the Magnetic Cave. That was an ordeal. I ended going to where you can buy the Mithril set and grinding to buy all that gear just for a goal and getting about 8 or so levels then went back. (So my party was 25-27.) Finally be it. Much easier then when the Trash was near wiping my party each battle.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Louieturkey on May 09, 2011, 03:16:04 PM
FYI, I'm not sure if this was mentioned to you but the row that the character is on matters for how much damage they deal and take. It's better to have fighters in front and magic users in back.
Have you reached the tower yet?
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2011, 04:06:21 PM
Not yet, I know that row mechanic from RPG Tradition but, what I found out the hard way is that it seems to effect Ranged weapons as well. So it seems physical needs to be in the front and magic in the back. I also think it stinks that levelling the old mage doesn't really make him any better so I have the feeling he's going to be axed soon.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: broodwars on May 09, 2011, 04:45:06 PM
I also thing it stinks that levelling the old mage doesn't really make him any better so I have the feeling he's going to be axed soon.
Hah! How little you know. You wait until (major spoilers, don't read until you've reached the Endgame) the entire fracking cast at some point or another makes a "heroic sacrifice", some multiple times. :P: : :
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2011, 05:28:29 PM
I haven't ready your above or anything else about the game, trying to do this spoilerish free, but I'll bet Old Mage is purposely kept below 99 so you can't use Meteor. He will use Meteor towards the end of the game to vanquish a foe. At that point you lose him from your party because it has been established that Meteor will kill him. You would have gained another character by then, You can get a Boomerange and their is no one as yet that can use it. Plus the Dragoon will have turned back and joined you. I'm afraid that Yang is also a goner eventually as well, no upgrade for him. Though I'm sure the Prince will have another part to play. From the NPC text I'm going to assume that the tower sends you to another world so in effect I'm probably what half way through the game. I will retrieve all of the Crystals but they will be stolen from me in some way. I will find out who my real father was. I can't decide if Cid's daughter gets killed or not. Those are my musing knowing what I know at the moment and not reading your above text till later and avoiding reading the story online. Lets see if it pans out that way. Oh and I have to sacrifice myself in the end because, that is a theme of this game.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Louieturkey on May 10, 2011, 12:35:20 AM
I like your predictions. You may or may not have been correct or incorrect about all or part or none of them. :)
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 13, 2011, 12:46:02 PM
I haven't updated this but I'm to the Underworld and I'm in the super tall tower of Ice upgrades. Not as hard as the place before where I spent most of my time retreating because I just wanted to get to the boss. Oh and I was right on one part at least
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ymeegod on May 14, 2011, 09:23:50 PM
I guess CT is coming to VC at 800 points. This is going to be a true port of the orginal though so you'll lose all the new FMV and a few dungeons but the core game would still be intact for those that can't find a copy.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 16, 2011, 10:24:04 AM
Welp I just got my newest character to the group, Ninja. He's 10 levels behind the rest of my group. He's a frontline guy with less health then my pure caster. I'm just going to have to go kill bats I guess till he's on par with everyone else. I can't go into that tower with a gimped character. Not to mention the bats are easier and worth more XP then the tower folks. I also need to figure out if Throw is worth it and I keep running out of inventory space...
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Shaymin on May 16, 2011, 04:11:41 PM
Throw will be worth it when you stop being able to sell weapons for good cash - around the same time the Shirukens become available for purchase.
He can also use boomerangs, and if you have a sword/boomerang equipped on him he'll do equal damage from the back row so you can do a 2-3 setup - Paladin/Dragoon in the front, Mage/Summoner/Ninja in the back.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 16, 2011, 04:13:53 PM
Throw will be worth it when you stop being able to sell weapons for good cash - around the same time the Shirukens become available for purchase.
He can also use boomerangs, and if you have a sword/boomerang equipped on him he'll do equal damage from the back row so you can do a 2-3 setup - Paladin/Dragoon in the front, Mage/Summoner/Ninja in the back.
I've got a Boomerang and I can't seem to get him to equip it so if I can get him to take the boomerang I can move him to the back. Hmmm... that should save me some leveling.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Mop it up on May 20, 2011, 05:17:20 PM
So I recently found out that there is a DS version of Final Fantasy IV. Does anyone know how it compares to the GBA version? Does it add even more content or does it just have a flashier presentation?
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ian Sane on May 20, 2011, 05:32:46 PM
The DS version of Final Fantasy IV is a complete remake like Final Fantasy III. It uses polygons instead of sprites. If you want something that plays more similarly to the original, the GBA version is the way to go. I have not played the DS version though and don't know any more specifics than that.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: broodwars on May 20, 2011, 05:35:12 PM
So I recently found out that there is a DS version of Final Fantasy IV. Does anyone know how it compares to the GBA version? Does it add even more content or does it just have a flashier presentation?
I've played both versions and the GBA version is far better. The engine used for the DS FF IV just can't do good-looking 3D models and the voice-acting is terrible. The bonus dungeons and party customization options from the GBA are gone as well. Replacing it is a lame feature where party members can use 2 commands from other party members, if you find the appropriate items. Stick with the GBA version, or the new PSP version if you have a PSP.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Louieturkey on May 20, 2011, 07:10:44 PM
Yeah, I've played the DS version and the GBA version. The DS version has the same story and besides the added features, plays out the same as the original just with voice acting and 3D models. I've enjoyed it so far but still prefer the original which the GBA version mimicks much better. I am hoping to play the PSP version at some point. I may just buy it and then get an NGP when that releases. I have no idea.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 20, 2011, 07:20:31 PM
Yeah, I've played the DS version and the GBA version. The DS version has the same story and besides the added features, plays out the same as the original just with voice acting and 3D models. I've enjoyed it so far but still prefer the original which the GBA version mimicks much better. I am hoping to play the PSP version at some point. I may just buy it and then get an NGP when that releases. I have no idea.
You would need to get it digital they are ditching UMD.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Mop it up on May 23, 2011, 08:04:58 PM
Unfortunately the DS version is cheaper so that may end up being the deciding factor when the time comes. Maybe I'll come across a cheap GBA cart sometime.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 23, 2011, 08:45:16 PM
Unfortunately the DS version is cheaper so that may end up being the deciding factor when the time comes. Maybe I'll come across a cheap GBA cart sometime.
FF:IV is only $20 on Amazon for GBA. (http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-IV-Advance-Game-Boy/dp/B000BI3SIC/ref=sr_1_5?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1306197679&sr=1-5) The few extra dollars are worth it according to everyone here. Thats the version I'm playing its good. They also have Chrono Trigger for $17 for the DS which I will eventually get once I finish FF:IV.
On related news still leveling Ninja...
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Mop it up on May 23, 2011, 10:11:51 PM
It's $17 for the DS, and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes down even more sometime.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Sundoulos on May 23, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
I've played FF IV on four different platforms, and I rather enjoyed the DS version. I'd go with that, honestly, if price is a factor. Honestly, given the choice between the GBA cart and the DS version, I'd probably pick up the DS version again.
The problem with the original FF II version is that it's a little dumbed down. Some of the character abilities were removed and the difficulty was a little toned down when it was brought over to the US. These differences were also corrected in the GBA version, of course.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 23, 2011, 11:02:55 PM
In all honesty as RPG goes it really hasn't been that hard on GBA either.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Sundoulos on May 23, 2011, 11:06:23 PM
Yeah...I don't remember it being that bad, but there is one area towards the end where I've always had to experience grind like crazy.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Ceric on May 23, 2011, 11:08:57 PM
Yeah...I don't remember it being that bad, but there is one area towards the end where I've always had to experience grind like crazy.
So far Magnetic Cave I had to grind a lot and I'm grinding up Ninja guy because he comes in your party to low for the area.
Title: Re: How should I pick up Chrono Trigger and FF:IV
Post by: Mop it up on May 24, 2011, 05:52:12 PM
I have heard about the "increase" in difficulty over the SNES version, which is a little worrisome. However, I take my time with these kinds of games so hopefully that will be enough to have good enough levels for most places. The end of the game is a grindfest in the SNES game too because of all the bosses, so I know what to expect from that.
