NWR Interactive => Podcast Discussion => Topic started by: Jonnyboy117 on September 17, 2010, 11:31:15 AM
Title: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 17, 2010, 11:31:15 AM
Notes:
Yoshi's Story, Wave Race 64, and Ogre Battle 64 are available on Virtual Console in every region. Banjo-Tooie and Perfect Dark have faithful HD remakes available on Xbox Live Arcade. Of course, N64 cartridges are also great if you have access to them. Please vote for the game you think is most interesting and/or that you would most like to play along if it wins.
VOTING ENDS ON THE MORNING OF THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30!
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: broodwars on September 17, 2010, 11:38:26 AM
Ogre Battle 64. It won't win (not when Perfect Dark and Banjo-Tooie are in the poll), but it is the most interesting game on that list and one most people never played. Besides, I could use an excuse to play that copy that's been sitting on my Wii for several months now.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NESticales on September 17, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
I love me some wave race
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 17, 2010, 11:57:35 AM
I think Ogre Battle has more of a chance than some people think, but I gotta go with a game I've been wanting to replay for a while: Yoshi's Story.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: wick on September 17, 2010, 12:05:52 PM
I just started playing Perfect Dark again for the first time in years so that gets my vote.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on September 17, 2010, 12:18:16 PM
I'll give my vote to Yoshi's Story. Never played it because of the mediocre reception, but as others have explained elsewhere, there has been some revisionist history on the game that suggests it may be better than originally perceived. Therefore, I think Yoshi's Story would be a good one to look at retroactively.
That, and I'd like to hear a segment that isn't about another bloody RPG. If Ogre Battle 64 is picked, I might just fast forward through the discussion for fear of falling asleep.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2010, 01:06:17 PM
No Conker? Rats! I guess I will have to go with Perfect Dark.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: FZeroBoyo on September 17, 2010, 01:11:37 PM
My vote goes to Yoshi's Story. ;D
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 17, 2010, 01:22:21 PM
Conker would have been a good choice for the poll. Unfortunately, I think the Xbox remake is significantly different in a number of ways... including being more censored than the original, for some insane reason.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: vudu on September 17, 2010, 01:43:25 PM
I'm not complaining, but I'm just curious why Yoshi's Story was chosen over Kirby 64. Coming from someone who's never played either game, they always seemed pretty similar to me. :)
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 17, 2010, 02:23:47 PM
I'm not complaining, but I'm just curious why Yoshi's Story was chosen over Kirby 64. Coming from someone who's never played either game, they always seemed pretty similar to me. :)
They're not.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Halbred on September 17, 2010, 02:31:30 PM
I'm not complaining, but I'm just curious why Yoshi's Story was chosen over Kirby 64. Coming from someone who's never played either game, they always seemed pretty similar to me. :)
They're not.
At all.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: vudu on September 17, 2010, 02:38:08 PM
They're both 2D mascot platformers. Seem pretty similar to me.
I assume the reason that only Yoshi's Story was included is because Jonny didn't want to include two 2D mascot platformers in the poll.
Look at the breakdown of games in the poll.
* Yoshi's Story (2D mascot platformer) * Banjo-Tooie (3D mascot platformer) * Wave Race 64 (racing) * Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber (strategy/RPG) * Perfect Dark (FPS)
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2010, 03:06:32 PM
Conker would have been a good choice for the poll. Unfortunately, I think the Xbox remake is significantly different in a number of ways... including being more censored than the original, for some insane reason.
There is always the N64 cartridge. However, buying the game would cost any where between $25 to $40 and what ever an N64 is running these days. I just thought that the humor of the game would fit with the style of RFN.
I am sorry for talking about Rare again, but if Perfect Dark wins the poll then a tribute to the hay-day of Rare and Nintendo would be nice.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: broodwars on September 17, 2010, 03:13:16 PM
Conker would have been a good choice for the poll. Unfortunately, I think the Xbox remake is significantly different in a number of ways... including being more censored than the original, for some insane reason.
I just thought that the humor of the game would fit with the style of RFN.
What do you think this is, Episode 103? :P:
I didn't know the Xbox version of Conker was censored. That game was actually on my list of games to acquire sometime to play now that I have a 360, but now I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 17, 2010, 03:54:58 PM
I didn't know the Xbox version of Conker was censored. That game was actually on my list of games to acquire sometime to play now that I have a 360, but now I'm not so sure.
Check the backwards-compatibility list; for some reason, I seem to remember that Conker was never supported.
Regarding Yoshi vs. Kirby: it's true that I wanted a nice spread of different genres. I have played Kirby 64 at least twice and talked about it during New Business on an old episode (when it first came to VC). I like the game a good bit, but it's ultimately very similar to other Kirby games. Yoshi's Story has always seemed like a unique experiment from Nintendo, and the graphical style makes it perhaps just as pertinent to the upcoming release of Epic Yarn as Kirby 64 would be.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 17, 2010, 04:00:43 PM
I can't in good conscience vote for anything but Perfect Dark when it's an option.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
Conker would have been a good choice for the poll. Unfortunately, I think the Xbox remake is significantly different in a number of ways... including being more censored than the original, for some insane reason.
I just thought that the humor of the game would fit with the style of RFN.
What do you think this is, Episode 103? :P: :
I didn't know the Xbox version of Conker was censored. That game was actually on my list of games to acquire sometime to play now that I have a 360, but now I'm not so sure.
Conker just seems like a good game that the RFN crew could talk about for two hours.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Mop it up on September 17, 2010, 06:08:35 PM
This is the first poll where I'd be fine with any of the options (and not only because it's the first poll where I own all the games). I guess I'll go with Perfect Dark though, it's still my favourite Nintendo 64 game, and it could be interesting to talk about what the game meant for its time, and how the genre has evolved from here -- and how it hasn't.
To add a little more about Conker's Bad Fur day, the original N64 game does have some censorship, but the XBox version has more so. In the original, the F-bomb is always censored, and so are some instances of the S-word and a certain C-word. Generally, the one-liners in the multiplayer modes are the ones bleeped out, and the ones in the single-player adventure's cutscenes are not. There's also a scene with male nudity that's pixelated. From what I read, the XBox version censors all instances of the S-word, as well as other words like "twat" and "tagnut," and probably some others. It may also pixelate the scene with female nudity, but I forget. I find a tinge of irony to the XBox version containing more censorship, as historically, Nintendo are the ones who apply censorship to their games.
That's all minor though, the biggest difference is the multiplayer mode. The XBox version has an all-new multiplayer mode, and contains none of the multiplayer content featured in the Nintendo 64 game. It could also be played online, though I have no idea if that's still possible. The final stage of the single-player adventure was also cut from the XBox version, which gives it a different ending.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 17, 2010, 06:11:35 PM
Check the backwards-compatibility list; for some reason, I seem to remember that Conker was never supported.
It is BC: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm)
Going with Yoshi's Story. I enjoyed renting it as a kid and have always thought the game gets a little too much hate. It's not one of my favorite games, but it was fun to play we could have a good conversation on it.
Mop, Conker was not a Nintendo game. Rare developed and published the game on their own. All Nintendo did was help promote and advertise it.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Mop it up on September 17, 2010, 06:17:36 PM
I meant games that appeared on their system. Nintendo used to have rules of what could and could not appear on their system, especially during the NES days. The game censoring the F-bomb may have also been due to Nintendo's influence; considering the content in the game it seems strange to be concerned with just that one word.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Sundoulos on September 17, 2010, 06:21:04 PM
I'm pulling for Perfect Dark on this one. It seems like we've had a lot of RPGs and platformers, so this would be a nice change. I'm probably one of the few N64 owners who loved this game more than Goldeneye. Unfortunately, back when I played it, I had the 3rd party RAM expansion, which was a big mistake. The game locked up on me all the time, especially on the outdoor level where Joanna is being chased by some sort of floating droid.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 17, 2010, 06:41:12 PM
Mop, they basically stopped censorship rules after the ESRB was created in 1994.
I think people were shocked when the PS2 version of BMX XXX was censored while the GameCube version wasn't.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
The two No More Heroes games dropped the F-bomb a whole lot and they got away with it. When I played Conker I got a very strong South Park vibe and considering that the game was released when South Park was getting strong.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 17, 2010, 08:12:53 PM
One cool thing we could do if Perfect Dark wins is have the people playing the XBLA version, which I imagine would be a lot of the participants, is play the multiplayer together on Xbox Live. A kind of RetroActive meets NWR WiFi Night thing.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 18, 2010, 12:01:26 AM
It is going to be a close call between Perfect Dark and Yoshi's Story. I am confident that Perfect Dark is going to win the vote. Most of the previous retroactive games were developed by Nintendo, so I think that it is prudent to include a game developed by Rare for the retroactive. This is especially true when that developer helped define the N64 along side Nintendo.
RFN, is it too late to include Conker?
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: gojira on September 18, 2010, 12:13:37 AM
I'm voting for Ogre Battle. I bought the game years ago, but never got into it. I'd be interested in checking it out again and seeing if I can understand the battle system.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 18, 2010, 05:34:45 PM
Yeah, it's too late for Conker. I'll consider it for a future poll, though.
Mop, good info on the censorship. The remake's online multiplayer would not longer function because Microsoft has disabled the original Xbox Live service in order to upgrade the 360 version. It's too bad they dumped the N64 multiplayer features -- "Beach" is an all-time favorite, even if you're only playing against the computer.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: MegaByte on September 18, 2010, 06:23:06 PM
I'm pulling for Perfect Dark on this one. It seems like we've had a lot of RPGs and platformers, so this would be a nice change. I'm probably one of the few N64 owners who loved this game more than Goldeneye. Unfortunately, back when I played it, I had the 3rd party RAM expansion, which was a big mistake. The game locked up on me all the time, especially on the outdoor level where Joanna is being chased by some sort of floating droid.
Eh, the game, particularly multiplayer, was barely playable even with the extra RAM. It was just trying to do too much for what the system was capable of, a problem that was magnified by the fact that it was an FPS.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: UncleBob on September 18, 2010, 07:40:41 PM
I vote for Superman 64.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: greybrick on September 18, 2010, 07:45:23 PM
Voted for Ogre Battle because I'm playing this one anyways :)
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: adadad on September 18, 2010, 10:44:48 PM
Honestly, voting for Ogre Battle 64 immediately after we just did Mother 3 is a terrible idea. The game is great and I'd recommend it to any fan of SRPGs, but I'm over 25 hours in and the story certainly does not look to be wrapping itself up anytime soon. As with most SRPGs it is one hell of a lengthy game, and compared to others I've played like Fire Emblem and Shining Force, I would say Ogre Battle 64 is significantly more complex, at least when it comes to preparing for a battle. Because there's so much to prepare and doing so can take a significant amount of time, the game feels very slow, slower than your average SRPG, and since story scenes do not necessarily occur at the end of every battle, attempting to play this game with a deadline, even over several weeks, would be a total slog.
My vote goes to Perfect Dark, and one of the things I appreciate most about Goldeneye and Perfect Dark is the way they are designed to be both instantly accessible for quick, arcadey multiplayer sessions, whilst the single player is actually a fair length and with the difficulty levels can be played in depth with a lot of replay value. It seems to me like there'd be a great deal to discuss in an interesting way as there are so many ways of experiencing the game, within both multiplayer and singleplayer modes. In contrast a discussion of Ogre Battle could very easily become bogged down in discussions concerning classes, unit formations etc., which wouldn't make compelling listening for me at any rate.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: AV on September 19, 2010, 12:41:03 AM
I wish you could do Goldeneye 007 for n64 since the new one is coming. I know the framerate is AWFUL now, and the single player is fairly boring.
I loved Perfect Dark and wonder how much it holds up and if I ever got a 360 which is likely soon, I would download that game asap
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: BwrJim! on September 19, 2010, 01:32:51 PM
first, to be annoying, Yoshi's story. but, then I saw PD on the end and well, lets just say I think that would be good for some energetic relatively positive game fun!
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Gameboy Freak on September 19, 2010, 02:22:11 PM
I voted for Banjo-Tooie. It probably will not be picked but hey it never hurts to try.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: greybrick on September 19, 2010, 04:50:00 PM
Ogre Battle for sure. Great game. Good luck finding it though, it was tough even when the N64 was the system of the time.
You could always get it on Virtual Console. I assume that most people that participate in RetroActive own a Wii.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Crimm on September 19, 2010, 10:13:11 PM
My concern for Perfect Dark is I have no clue how faithful the 360 port is, and to be honest the struggles of the N64 rendering that game are important when discussing it.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: broodwars on September 19, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
Ogre Battle for sure. Great game. Good luck finding it though, it was tough even when the N64 was the system of the time.
You could always get it on Virtual Console. I assume that most people that participate in RetroActive own a Wii.
For sure. The N64 version is the best version of the game possible as well due to the ability to play it using component video instead of the N64's crappy composite video. It makes a world of difference.
EDIT: The Perfect Dark port is pretty much the N64 game with a cleaner visual sheen, some updated models, and a consistent framerate. Pretty much all the design problems from the original game are still there.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: LittleIrves on September 20, 2010, 10:03:22 AM
I'm playing Yoshi's Island right now, and though I know Story has almost zero to do with that, I'd be interested in playing it in advance of Epic Yarn (and just to see what all the hate was about). I remember being completely psyched when I first saw the screenshots way back when. And then? I let the critics steer me away. Would someone recommend downloading the VC version over finding an actual cart? 'Cause I'd love to add the real thing to my N64 collection, but I've heard the Wii cleans up the graphics a tad.... probably a moot point. Apropos of nothing: Wave Race 64 > Blue Storm
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Retro Deckades on September 20, 2010, 07:12:41 PM
Despite some compelling opposing arguments, I voted for Ogre Battle 64.
Democracy.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 20, 2010, 07:53:00 PM
Perfect Dark has a lot of potential for discussion, and is in a genre that isn't represented in these polls very often, unlike platformers and RPGs which are always there.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Mop it up on September 20, 2010, 09:45:07 PM
I think some people make too big a deal over Perfect Dark's framerate, to me it didn't seem worse than many other Nintendo 64 games. I guess I just got used to it after playing N64 games for so long. The thing is just to make sure the hi-res option is off, otherwise it will get pretty bad.
I'm probably one of the few N64 owners who loved this game more than Goldeneye.
This sounds like another "different circles" type of thing. Everyone I knew preferred Perfect Dark to Goldeneye, at least, in terms of multiplayer. Now, I think more people have played Goldeneye since it was an earlier N64 game, and Perfect Dark was so late on the scene. Guess what was released only four months after PD? I'm sure that really killed the game's chances of success, among other things.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jet Pilot on September 20, 2010, 11:49:50 PM
I don't know whether to choose Wave Race or Yoshi's Story.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Mop it up on September 21, 2010, 12:50:28 AM
I almost forgot, why isn't Superman 64 on the poll? I nominated it a while back, I'm pretty sure at least one other person backed it. Did you think it was a joke response? With the amount of garbage games released on the Wii, it would be a more relevant discussion than it would seem.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: vudu on September 21, 2010, 01:03:39 PM
I almost forgot, why isn't Superman 64 on the poll?
Probably because
A) it's horrible, & B) it's not currently available on any current gen system
Yoshi's Story, Wave Race 64 and Ogre Battle 64 are all available on Virtual Console. Banjo-Tooie and Perfect Dark are available on Xbox Live. It's just easier to pick games that most people have easy access to.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 21, 2010, 02:08:34 PM
With over a week left, this RetroActive already has more votes than any previous poll. Always a good sign. I think participation will continue to set new records as we play and discuss the winner.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 21, 2010, 04:47:55 PM
With over a week left, this RetroActive already has more votes than any previous poll. Always a good sign. I think participation will continue to set new records as we play and discuss the winner.
I attribute this to the sheer popularity of the N64 era games. I bet if the next retroactive was another N64 poll the amount of votes would still increase. Are you going back to Gamecube for the next feature?
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Mop it up on September 21, 2010, 05:56:11 PM
With over a week left, this RetroActive already has more votes than any previous poll.
It's because it is Nintendo 64, that always draws crowds. The next one can only go down from here.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: GearBoxClock on September 21, 2010, 06:43:50 PM
Perfect Dark is one of my most favourite games ever. As far as console FPS games go, it is one of the best.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: noname2200 on September 21, 2010, 07:22:29 PM
Despite the good point that the last retroactive covered a 30 hour game, and that Ogre Battle is an 80 hour marathon to complete, my vote still goes to Ogre Battle, because it's that awesome. Perfect Dark was a close second though, with Wave Race not all that far behind.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 21, 2010, 08:03:21 PM
I almost forgot, why isn't Superman 64 on the poll? I nominated it a while back, I'm pretty sure at least one other person backed it. Did you think it was a joke response? With the amount of garbage games released on the Wii, it would be a more relevant discussion than it would seem.
It's true that multiple people have nominated Superman 64. However, it is a universally loathed game. I've played it myself and can confirm that it's absolute garbage. It can be funny to laugh at in a B-movie kind of way, but YouTube is just as good for that and costs nothing. I can't imagine discussing the game for more than a couple of minutes; it has virtually no redeeming qualities.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 21, 2010, 08:51:06 PM
I can not think of a greater punishment than to ask someone to play Super Man 64.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Mop it up on September 22, 2010, 01:04:38 AM
It's true that multiple people have nominated Superman 64. However, it is a universally loathed game. I've played it myself and can confirm that it's absolute garbage. It can be funny to laugh at in a B-movie kind of way, but YouTube is just as good for that and costs nothing. I can't imagine discussing the game for more than a couple of minutes; it has virtually no redeeming qualities.
A game needs to have redeeming qualities in order to have something to discuss? I just thought it would lead to good topics like how bad games can get, if bad games make you appreciate good ones, if it is fair to claim a game you never played is bad, etc. Of course, most of these don't really pertain to the game itself, and I s'pose RetroActive is meant to focus on the actual games themselves. I guess that'd work better as more generalized topics.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Stratos on September 22, 2010, 01:13:11 AM
I seem to recall GP threatening me with physical violence if I supported Superman 64 for Retroactive. She said it was a crime to force you guys to have to play through it.
I'm rooting for the under dog of Ogre Battle. I'm gonna start a new game since I didn't get very far in it when I got an old copy online.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: King of Twitch on September 22, 2010, 03:06:59 AM
A game needs to have redeeming qualities in order to have something to discuss? I just thought it would lead to good topics like how bad games can get, if bad games make you appreciate good ones, if it is fair to claim a game you never played is bad, etc. Of course, most of these don't really pertain to the game itself, and I s'pose RetroActive is meant to focus on the actual games themselves. I guess that'd work better as more generalized topics.
Let's not be silly. RetroActive is a community-driven feature and a sure-fire way to alienate 99% of the community is to ask them to spend their money on a piece of garbage.
Could we get a hint on how the voting is progressing? I'm not suggesting you tell us which game is winning, I'm just curious as to whether it is a close call or if there's one candidate way out in front of the rest.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 22, 2010, 12:13:19 PM
Mop, why don't you send us an email about those topics? We do want to keep RetroActive discussions focused on the individual games.
The results are extremely close right now. I think this is probably the most even field we've ever had.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Stratos on September 22, 2010, 04:26:49 PM
Makes me happy that I went with Ogre Battle. I almost didn't because I felt it didn't stand a chance but if all of them are neck and neck then there is hope.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Halbred on September 22, 2010, 04:30:58 PM
Makes me happy that I went with Ogre Battle. I almost didn't because I felt it didn't stand a chance but if all of them are neck and neck then there is hope.
The only shame would be that it is virtually impossible that we would get to the ending and get to discuss the Chaos Frame construct. Despite beating the game multiple times I've never got the "Good End" Chaos Frame. I'm always driven out like a warmonger.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Mop it up on September 22, 2010, 10:35:42 PM
We've all wanted to kill Zap at one point or another, but that's just a part of what makes him endearing.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: jimwood27 on September 22, 2010, 10:50:42 PM
I went with Banjo Tooie just because I feel there may be more to talk about with that game. I am interested in playing Yoshi's Story and Wave Race 64 but feel the conversation might not be as strong.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 22, 2010, 10:57:36 PM
The results are extremely close right now. I think this is probably the most even field we've ever had.
That's what was said in the last poll, only to find out in the end when Mother 3 won by a landslide that the previous comment was less than honest (as admitted to in a post after the results were posted). I made the mistake of believing you last time. Not this time though. :cool;
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 27, 2010, 12:22:07 AM
I can tell you this. It was close when Jonny posted that. It's not so much anymore.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 27, 2010, 12:43:02 AM
The suspense is killing me and I want Perfect Dark.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: broodwars on September 27, 2010, 12:50:39 AM
I can tell you this. It was close when Jonny posted that. It's not so much anymore.
Well, there went what little shred of hope I might have had for OB64 winning the poll. I don't see much chance of that game ever winning a poll by a large margin against this competition. Great, it'll probably be Perfect Dark or Yoshi's Story. I hope at least that Yoshi's Story loses.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 27, 2010, 12:52:29 AM
I think more people would be able to play and discuss Yoshi's Story, and it hasn't had as much discussion as Perfect Dark (yes I know I have argued against that idea when I was campaigning for Super Mario World despite how much that game had already been talked about).
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: broodwars on September 27, 2010, 12:55:16 AM
I think more people would be able to play and discuss Yoshi's Story, and it hasn't had as much discussion as Perfect Dark (yes I know I have argued against that idea when I was campaigning for Super Mario World despite how much that game had already been talked about).
You might very well be right about that. Yoshi's Story is just a game I didn't care about when it came out, I don't care about it now, and would rather not have a large portion of upcoming podcasts devoted to it. Perfect Dark I at least have a current save on for the 360 version, and this might prod me to actually finish it.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Stratos on September 27, 2010, 03:43:58 AM
Poor Ogre Battle... :'(
I actually hope Banjo-Tooie wins. I was going to vote for that one but then I decided to go with the one I wanted the most instead of one more likely to win since it sounded like OB might have a good run if I supported it.
I've been thinking about playing BT again for a while now.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: vudu on September 27, 2010, 01:42:21 PM
The results are extremely close right now. I think this is probably the most even field we've ever had.
That's what was said in the last poll, only to find out in the end when Mother 3 won by a landslide that the previous comment was less than honest (as admitted to in a post after the results were posted). I made the mistake of believing you last time. Not this time though. :cool;
If you're accusing me of lying, and then claiming that I confessed to it, please provide links to those posts. I don't recall either such incident. I have no reason to mislead anyone when it comes to these polls. If I wanted to influence the results that much, I would just rig the vote or select the game myself to begin with. I honestly want it to be a democratic process. Hell, I don't even vote myself because I have too much knowledge of the vote counts.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: vudu on September 27, 2010, 03:03:57 PM
If you're accusing me of lying, and then claiming that I confessed to it, please provide links to those posts. I don't recall either such incident.
You claimed in an episode of RFN (recorded before the poll ended) that the vote was close and then Neal later said in the poll thread that the vote was never close (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31766.msg623338#msg623338).
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 27, 2010, 06:02:15 PM
If you're accusing me of lying, and then claiming that I confessed to it, please provide links to those posts. I don't recall either such incident.
You claimed in an episode of RFN (recorded before the poll ended) that the vote was close and then Neal later said in the poll thread that the vote was never close (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31766.msg623338#msg623338).
That's taken out of context, sir. Also, Aaron said it, and then I agreed but also said it was close for a time.
I don't think Jonny was lying when he said it, because it was close for the early goings. As you know, RFN is recorded on Thursdays, which is three days before it goes live. A lot can happen in that time.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Crimm on September 28, 2010, 01:27:23 AM
Eh, the GBA poll wasn't very close at any point.
Regardless, GET ON THE TOPIC.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: vudu on September 28, 2010, 01:12:35 PM
That's taken out of context, sir. Also, Aaron said it, and then I agreed but also said it was close for a time.
Don't blame me! I'm not the only complaining (for once). I was just answering the question posed by Jonny.
Personally, I think Jet Pilot is still bitter about Mother 3 winning the last RetroActive. As I recall, he was strongly against the grayish-nature of playing the game.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: NWR_Karl on September 28, 2010, 03:48:18 PM
The fix is in! RFN = Chicago Politics!
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 28, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
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Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: broodwars on September 28, 2010, 04:16:14 PM
I imagine Jonny Metts taking a crowbar and busting open the voting box and pouring in ballots for Ogre Battle or Yoshi's Story into the box. I could easily imagine a 2000 style election debacle coming and I see Perfect Dark as the Al Gore of Retroactive # 14.
Smiting due to political argument-baiting, especially since you got it wrong (it's Al Gore who was taking a crowbar and...oh nevermind).
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Kytim89 on September 28, 2010, 04:18:43 PM
I imagine Jonny Metts taking a crowbar and busting open the voting box and pouring in ballots for Ogre Battle or Yoshi's Story into the box. I could easily imagine a 2000 style election debacle coming and I see Perfect Dark as the Al Gore of Retroactive # 14.
Smiting due to political argument-baiting, especially since you got it wrong (it's Al Gore who was taking a crowbar and...oh nevermind).
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: MegaByte on September 28, 2010, 04:30:59 PM
That's taken out of context, sir. Also, Aaron said it, and then I agreed but also said it was close for a time. I don't think Jonny was lying when he said it, because it was close for the early goings. As you know, RFN is recorded on Thursdays, which is three days before it goes live. A lot can happen in that time.
Yeah, when I said "never really close", I wasn't counting the first day or two since not that many people had voted yet.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Crimm on September 28, 2010, 06:40:11 PM
That's taken out of context, sir. Also, Aaron said it, and then I agreed but also said it was close for a time. I don't think Jonny was lying when he said it, because it was close for the early goings. As you know, RFN is recorded on Thursdays, which is three days before it goes live. A lot can happen in that time.
Yeah, when I said "never really close", I wasn't counting the first day or two since not that many people had voted yet.
Yes, all games start at zero, so technically they're all close at one point.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Stratos on September 30, 2010, 01:41:19 AM
I imagine Jonny Metts taking a crowbar and busting open the voting box and pouring in ballots for Ogre Battle or Yoshi's Story into the box. I could easily imagine a 2000 style election debacle coming and I see Perfect Dark as the Al Gore of Retroactive # 14.
Smiting due to political argument-baiting, especially since you got it wrong (it's Al Gore who was taking a crowbar and...oh nevermind).
Dude, that doesn't even make sense with any game as any candidate....but maybe I'm just thinking too much of fitting the games to the political opponents.
The only title I would rather not see win is Wave Race. Playing it again and talking about it really doesn't interest me. If Yoshi's Story wins I may bring my sister on to comment since it was her First Game Evar! Impressions like that from a kid playing it as their first game could be interesting.
We've talked about her getting her own account here because she has voiced interest in the past. I only worry because she is 12 and if she stumbled into the funhouse...
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 30, 2010, 12:31:53 PM
Stratos, here are some helpful tips for your sister:
- Don't publicize that she is your sister. - Don't publicize that she is 12 years old. - Don't publicize that she is female.
Then she'll have a good time on the forums!
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 30, 2010, 12:42:47 PM
Yoshi's Story is the winner! Thank you very much to everyone who voted. Tentatively, we'll plan to discuss the game on Episode 214, so start now if you want to play along. I'll create a separate thread for Yoshi's Story discussion.
Personally, I'm a little surprised by this result (originally thought Banjo, Ogre Battle, or Perfect Dark might win), but I'm also excited to play this game for the first time. It seems like a good fit for RetroActive: overlooked, somewhat controversial, and thankfully, not too long! ;-) It's also a neat tie-in with Kirby's Epic Yarn.
For those wondering about how the voting progressed, it was a virtual three-way tie for the first week or so, with Yoshi slowly pulling into the lead over the second week. Since there's a tie for second-place, both Ogre Battle 64 and Perfect Dark will return in our second-chance poll, which should be coming up very soon.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2010, 12:44:30 PM
I liked the game when I rented it as a good. It wasn't one of my favorites, but I look forward to playing it again and talking about it.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: broodwars on September 30, 2010, 12:48:44 PM
I guess that's a couple weeks of RetroActive I have to tune out, as I couldn't care less about Yoshi's Story. I am pleasantly surprised at how well Ogre Battle 64 did, though.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Sundoulos on September 30, 2010, 12:59:54 PM
I rented Yoshi's Story back in the day, and I was suitably unimpressed. Perhaps time will have changed my opinion when I try it again. It also seems appropriate since Kirby's Epic Yarn will be released soon; I'm sure that many comparisons will be made between the two games, anyway. :)
I almost switched my vote from Perfect Dark to Ogre Battle at the last minute; I'm sort of glad I didn't. Both games deserve to go to the second chance poll.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 30, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
Due to the nature of the game, we will probably streamline the on-air Yoshi's Story discussion to a single week, with the option to read some additional forum comments the next week.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Sundoulos on September 30, 2010, 03:57:57 PM
I think you should make a live feed of James' play sessions. I'd like to hear his reactions in real-time.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Crimm on September 30, 2010, 04:55:25 PM
Sondoulos, I've beaten the game twice. I've played it a bit in the last month. I doubt highly that I'll spend much time with it. It's about as simple a title as they could have created.
Title: Re: Poll for RetroActive #14: N64 Edition
Post by: Mop it up on September 30, 2010, 06:44:07 PM
I'm surprised at this result, I didn't think anybody cared about Yoshi's Story. I never thought it was a bad game, but the way the story mode is set up is really short, and the game is easy if you don't go for high scores. They also seemed to target the game at young players instead of the usual "for everyone" approach of most Nintendo titles. It does have a unique art style though, and a variety of stages, some more clever than others.
This isn't bad timing though. I just got Yoshi's Island, so I'll try to get in a little playtime with that so I can compare the two.
