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Title: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: segagamer12 on January 08, 2007, 03:44:44 PM
Since I am the first to die I wanted to start the ghost thread, all who die post here and complain or discuss your deaths.

damint I forgot we started today I was in twin falls all dayand when i got home they had already started the game so I had to get sh!t together before the party so i missed out completly. Its all good I knew I would die first so no big deal.  
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: 18 Days on January 08, 2007, 06:33:22 PM
On the bright side, of the MERE 8 votes cast, only 3 were for you. So it's not liek this was a popular decision.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 08, 2007, 06:39:15 PM
More votes were cast for Svevan to die than for segagamer12 to die.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: 18 Days on January 08, 2007, 06:41:30 PM
There was only one vote for him. There were however several votes for people pretending to be him.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 09, 2007, 03:13:51 AM
Oh dear, I didn't see my early death coming...again...
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Pale on January 09, 2007, 04:06:21 AM
This is ivery confusing...
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: segagamer12 on January 09, 2007, 07:13:27 AM
yeah but they just bruirted ny mane out with no explanation, I didnt even get to post at all. This sucks but its not too bad I knew it would happen, popular vote or not I was the first chosen and there was no explanation.  
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 10, 2007, 04:03:22 AM
Bummer. But somehow, very expected.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 10, 2007, 03:33:01 PM
Interesting day. Who will be joining me? My friend Garnee, who I defended and maybe bit the bucket for doing so? Or will it be one of my favorite nemesis and the man who started a vote against me, Vudu? Let's see the current tally:

Garnee - 9
Vudu - 6

I can't wait to see Pale will do. Will he change his vote and tie it again? Or will other people vote and make it a runaway? Highly entertaining. And since I'm the only one who seems to be populating this dead thread, I thought I'd take over and start my own little betting booth.


So, today's bet. Who do you think is going? Vudu, Garnee, or someone else or both? Let's place those bets.


Oh. And apologies to TVMan. I had this feeling you might be a townie and I really did want to leave you alone. But, not enough to sacrifice myself. I wish things could have gone better.



EDIT: Oh, things just got tighter as Garnee finally changed his vote to something meaningful. We are almost at a tie game. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm enjoying the fact that Garnee is playing the game. He has made things so fun to watch and really stuck it to the Garnee haters.


EDIT: Oh cruel fate. Just when it seemed like there was a chance both might join me tomorrow, Vudu conviced Spak to save him. Why? And now it will take a real miracle to keep Garnee going in the game. Personally, I thought it might end up with both of them dying today but it seems people are against more death and just hate the fact that Garnee is actually playing the game. Oh well. I guess I'll wake up tomorrow and find out who Garnee really is. I hope it's a surprise. I love surprises.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 11, 2007, 06:37:05 AM
Ha ha ha. Good for me. This is my worst mafia showing ever. Not only did I vote out a townie but I protected a mafia member. Good for me.

Although, the truth is, I probably wouldn't have cared is people had voted for Garnee. It was all the comments about him not playing that got me to come to his aid. The other thing is when Vudu pointed out what I said about Garnee's past record being irrelevant. That got me thinking that, yeah, he is overdue for a role. But, I felt it was too late to do a vote switch at that point. Stupid me.


The mafia situation doesn't look good this game. The NWR are helped by the fact that their turncoat is dead but the loss of Garnee leaves them at 3. Not to mention, the double agent may not be with them. On the other hand, although the Pietriots have only lost one member, they still have the turncoat to deal with. And with the accuracy of the vigilante's hit, it makes me wonder if they have hooked up. Should be interesting to find out. But the real question is the NWR's hit. Coincidence or double agent? I wish this game would go faster so I could find out.



But now for the real reason why we're here. Today's betting.

Shift Key is the odds on favorite to die with 2-1 odds.
Then there's MaryJane who is starting to accumulate a vote here and there. Still, he seems unlikely and is at 15-1.
Vudu was helped immeasurably with his focus on Garnee. This gives him a nice 30-1 odds of being the one to go.
Personally, I would choose my lock of the day, someone other than these 3. The odds are 4-1. If I'm right about my earlier suspicions about the turncoat and mafia hook-up or double agent, chances are a new name may come up. Let's go to the board.

Shift Key - 2:1
Someone else - 4:1
MaryJane - 15:1
Vudu - 30:1

We'll see what happens tonight.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Garnee on January 11, 2007, 11:39:49 AM
So yeah, I'm dead and stuff.  Fun mafia while it lasted, I was almost certain that I wouldn't be pweened as I was, I was mafia for crying out loud.  Thanks for defending me everyone: and Vudu...VENDETTA!
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 11, 2007, 02:20:29 PM
Well, it looks like the someone else getting voted for is Pale and he is in the lead. Pale's odds will be the same as the someone else 4:1. The frontrunner of the day Shift Key is not that far behind. I believe he is one vote behind. The big surprise is Vudu garnering 4 votes and only being one vote behind Pale. Looks like some people could be in for a big payday. By the way, does anyone else find it ironic that I posted a statement saying that it was most likely that someone else would be voted out today instead of the 3 people I named. And then Pale posted this:


We should plan a shocker vote. Pick someone who doesn't have any votes yet, and then all get together and change our votes to him just seconds before the polls close!

It would be great fun!


And now it looks like that person will be Pale. The irony!
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Pale on January 12, 2007, 01:51:14 AM
Haha, oh man.  I have never blatantly lied this early in a mafia game.  I came out and said I was a boring townie.  People should have believed me.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 12, 2007, 08:29:50 AM
Oh man, major hit to the Funhouse mafia. But not unexpected. I mentioned something like this could happen because of the turncoat. Perhaps you may have noticed that the person with the Khushrenada identity is still alive in the mafia. There just seems to be some magic between me and mafias.

Now, let's look at the situation:

Funhouse mafia - 2 members.
NWR - 3 members.

And then there's the turncoat who has a choice between mafia's. Let's say that person chose the Funhouse mafia. That means both mafias would have to eliminate 15 other players to win and part of those 15 players would have to be the other mafia and the bomber. Those are long odds. If the turncoat is with the NWR, then the NWR has to eliminate 13 other players and the two funhouse mafia and bomber must be a part of this 13. Oh, and the vigilante's also. They must get rid of those two. Seems like long odds. I don't think even though bomber could make much of a difference at this point. Even if he gets voted out, the most that die with him are two.


So, at this point, I am declaring a townie victory. However, there is still a chance for a mafia. So, let's look to the big board.

Townie win - 2:1
NWR Mafia win - 8:1
Funhouse Mafia win - 17:1
Bomber win - 20:1

There will be no betting on today's vote since it seems to be rigged against Vudu. I would also like to congratulate the suicide bomber for being able to hide his identity so far. Keep hanging in there. I wouls also like to send my best wishes to the townie effort. Pale and I are hoping you can get us a win.

And finally, a message to my counterpart, Funhouse Khushrenada.

Although my hope for a win is with your enemies the townies, I wish you much luck and success. In fact, I would still be pleased to lose this game if you were able to pull off a stunning upset considering the circumstances set against you. Nothing would please me more or help sell the legend of Khushrenada if you were able to pull it off. Remember the inspiring story of Khushrenada's first game played and how when his mafia (the Foxes) was down to two members with a rival mafia still alive. Khushrenada, working closely with his godfather KnowsNothing, was able to help storm past the other rival mafia, evade the Killer (Death), and rise up against the townie odds and be the last one standing with a townie, thereby claiming a mafia victory for the Foxes. It has happened before. It can happen again. Never give up. Never surrender. At the very least, be the last mafia member standing. I believe in you.


And if you fail, I will disavow any knowledge of you, strip you of this title and pretend like it never happened. Now go! To victory!  
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 12, 2007, 09:04:31 AM
Haha, man that was fun. I'll try and fill in a bit on the strategy that the Funhouse mafia were attempting.

When the roles went out, the mafia people didn't know who was the Godfather, but we knew that we had a turncoat and mole to deal with - not a great way to start things off. I managed to get in contact with the Godfather and we decided that we needed to remove the mole as soon as possible. I was fortunate in that my role included the ability to investigate mafia members on kill nights, so between us we found the mole in no time.

The first hit was Khush, and yes, that felt good. Its all in good fun, but '18 Days' wanted to send a message to the game and he saw you as a prime target.

RAB was suprised when we used our kill on our own mafia - I really thought that was key to our survival.  Unfortunately I suspect he has already gotten our details to the vigilante (three correct hits, no-one flukes three times) so I think the days of the Funhouse mafia are numbered.

Whoever the vigilante is, kudos on doing a damn good job. VEDETTA!
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: 18 Days on January 12, 2007, 09:31:30 AM
Only two correct hits from the Vigilante actually. I haven't told him anything, in fact the Town Cop hasn't even officially found him yet.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 12, 2007, 10:24:39 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: 18 Days
Only two correct hits from the Vigilante actually. I haven't told him anything, in fact the Town Cop hasn't even officially found him yet.


My mistake. I had a crazy idea that a NWR guy was taken out before ooohboy. The voices in my head told me so.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: NuclearSpeed on January 12, 2007, 03:11:39 PM
i gave out no information, but after last night maybe i should have. Oh well now I think i have a true vendetta for the next mafia.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 12, 2007, 03:17:53 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: NuclearSpeed
i gave out no information, but after last night maybe i should have. Oh well now I think i have a true vendetta for the next mafia.


I'm going to pre-emptively call shenanigans on this remark. But I guess we'll see how this turns out anyway.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 12, 2007, 03:51:15 PM
Personally, I think the mole is the other mafia trying to get rid of the vigilante.

Think about. We now know that both mafia's had an investigator. You admitted to being one Shift Key. Therefore, the rival mafia may have investigated Spak and learned he was a townie. But because of the accuracy of the vigilante lately, they may want to try and set him up. This would make sense. It could be the cop but I don't see why the cop would claim himself as a mole or how the cop would know what the bomber is doing.

In fact, that whole bomber comment is wierd. Why would the bomber hook up with anyone or tell them when or why he was going to blow. If anyone kills the bomber, they die also. So, the bomber wouldn't have to worry about threats of being exposed. If he is exposed, good for him. He gets a free pass for a while since no one else will want to kill him. And I certainly don't think it was a former mob member. Both moles might know other mafia members but they wouldn't know who the bomber is.

My ruling is fake. It seems like a ploy to creat suspicion. So, once again, let's look to the big board.

Fake - 2:1
Real - 10:1

Let the betting begin.  
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 12, 2007, 05:09:20 PM
My role only involved being to investigate people in my group. So I couldn't investigate NWR and they couldn't investigate Funhouse people.

The Godfather can investigate anyone, and both of them are still alive.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: vudu on January 13, 2007, 07:12:24 AM
Well look at that, I was voted out by a landslide.  How completely ... expected.

Hope you guys can live with yourselves.  Voting out another townie just makes it that much easier for one of the mafias to win.
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
I... don't want to vote Vudu. I'm pretty convinced about his story. But god, you have to pay the price if you make a mistake like that, otherwise how can we enforce and regulate ourselves?
That makes the least amount of sense as anything I've ever read during a Mafia game.  You accomplished nothing except hurting the townies.  So unless you're part of a mafia, you hurt yourself.  Congrats.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2007, 07:51:13 AM
Ha ha ha. Someone is a dead man. The NWR's plan failed and good for people not snapping at the bait. Best of all, this means the mafias will hit one another two nights in a row. Provided the townies clue in to what is happening. And this will help increase the chances of a townie victory even greater.

Of course, this is provided that my assumptions are correct. I don't want to go saying to much what my suspicious are since I am a dead person and don't want to influence the game. It just wouldn't be right. Still, at this point, I think I will rethink the odds of victory.

Townie win - 2:1
NWR Mafia win - 15:1
Funhouse Mafia Win - 10,000:1 (Once Khushrenada died, there was nothing left)
Bomber win - 15:1

Yes, the bomber odds increased. I see that mole message was worng. The bomber didn't blow up. What a surprise. Like I said, it makes no sense for someone to threaten the bomber or for the bomber to reveal who he's going to blow and when. If this bomber can stay incognito even longer, this could make for an interesting finale. I think the bomber is going to be the key deciding factor and when and who he blows up. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.


Also, if you are a dead person, you may be interested in some our non-public betting. In talking with a few of the dead people, I've been taking some bets as to who they think a certain role is. If you would like to join in these discussions, pm me and we'll see how you do.

Finally, some questions. Wandering may really be the townie idiot. He got a pm saying Vudu was the townie idiot. But if he contacted Vudu and worked with him, wouldn't he have verified or said to Vudu that he is the cop and he saw that he was the idiot? Wouldn't Vudu have told him then that is wrong. But instead, they figure it out a two days later after they vote out Pale. And Dasmos was supposed to be mafia, why wasn't there a vote for him? Now, I'm not trying to get Wandering voted out but I must say I was curious as to how Vudu and Wandering could have made this mistake. Perhaps Vudu can enlighten us.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2007, 08:22:55 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu
That makes the least amount of sense as anything I've ever read during a Mafia game.  You accomplished nothing except hurting the townies.  So unless you're part of a mafia, you hurt yourself.  Congrats.


You have to be accountable for your actions. You put your name on the line and if things fall apart, someone has to take responsibility.

Besides, if we let this slide, then people will be encouraged to use the "townie idiot" defense, especially mafia. You set out to lynch Pale and made that very clear. When it turned out he was innocent, how is it surprising to see that the mob of bloodthirsty townies you whipped up turned on you?

Be careful what you start, and be careful when you make accusations. That HAS to be the lesson from this.

Besides, haven't you been reading Khush' analyses? The Mafia's are losing.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: vudu on January 13, 2007, 08:37:11 AM
There is no accountability here.  You cut off your nose to spite your face.  
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2007, 09:05:07 AM
Yeah. It's like my protecting of Garnee earlier. I knew if he was shown as mafia, I'd be dead next since it's pretty suspicious to save a mafia member. Ironically, I died before him but still, it happens every game. It's like in S-U-P-E-R's game when you got killed after you kept rallying people to vote out other townies. You thought you were doing the right thing but it eventually bit you back.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2007, 09:13:25 AM
The vote for today.

Kairon - 2:1
Spak-Spang - 4:1

It should be interesting.  
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2007, 09:47:24 AM
I'm going to save this post until after the day's events are done. I don't want to start influencing people since I'm dead. Needless to say, it seems everything I posted and all my guess are coming true. I'll see what happens the next couple days and then re-post my theories when it is safe. Then, you can all see some great deductive reasoning.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 13, 2007, 09:53:21 AM
Whether the Mole role was Ceric or not...he leaked the information to the other Mafia...and he is the only person I can promise to the townies is 100% Mafia.

I have already lost this game...so now it is about revenge...if I can't own the Funhouse Forums with my Mafia, then I declare it should be set free.

Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2007, 09:56:47 AM
Khushrenada. I'm the double agent. Ceric is an innocent townie Spakkie is trying to kill from beyond the grave. See my post in the Mafia game thread.

BUT I did NOT post that mole thread. I wouldn't think of it, I wouldn't dream of it... and I can be sure that it was either someone in the NWR mafia who wanted to ensure the kill (amatuerish to the extreme), or even the town cop before death came for him.

And people should vote spak-spang out, because it's spak spang's kill night, and the information I give out in the mafia thread marks me as a danger to the NWR mafia, so they will be forced to waste a kill on me on their kill night.

If people vote out Spak-Spang tonight, they can deny a funhouse mafia kill this night, then force NWR to waste next night's kill.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2007, 10:08:32 AM
Question. Why couldn't Spak kill you tonight? It prevents you from getting this ability to be a special mafia (though why you would do that doesn't make much sense), plus it means Spak is not hitting a townie and the NWR mafia hit is still going to be tied up tomorrow by having to hit Spak.

Seems reasonable to me.


(I just couldn't resist attacking the arguement. Sorry.)
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 13, 2007, 11:00:36 AM
I love how Kairon's post does not ever mention the fact that RAB's message was or was not sent to her.

Yes, the writing style is a lot like RAB's
Yes, that pretty much encompasses the role of the double agent.

But I started off the game by sending a message to all the people in the Funhouse mafia. If you were on that list, please tell me the contents of it (And don't ask Ceric to give you the message).
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2007, 12:16:49 PM
I like this game. Today is a good day. I hope the townies keep playing with logic.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2007, 01:03:52 PM
If the townies could get Spak's assurances that he'd kill me instead of whoever else he was going to target in revenge for Pyro, then that'd be a good bargain Khush.

Also, check your mail Shift Key!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 13, 2007, 02:09:44 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Also, check your mail Shift Key!


Reply'd. Man, its so hard to sit on the fence after having so much knowledge on the Kairon vs Spak argument. FUNHOUSE 4 LIFE!

Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2007, 02:42:37 PM
I'll tell you why I think Spak should live. Everyone knows what his motivation is. Revenge. Plain and simple. The double agent failed and was exposed. His plan clear and in the open. Since Spak knows victory is impossible, he's going to get revenge and do damage on the rival mafia that did this to him. That is why if Spak lives tonight, it is a boon for the townies since he will be a hunter with them. Moreover, he has been very honest in his intents. He willingly revealed himself as mafia knowing it would mean his death. But he did so to let everyone know where he stands.


Your intentions have been murky and unclear. You have said to kill Spak to prevent his hit. Then, you will become a rival mafia and your own mafia will have to kill you next. That is just wierd. You are going to reject staying in a four mafia strong alliance for no other reason than to force them to kill you? What? Moreover, we know Spak gets his hit regardless. If you become mafia does that mean you would have a chance for a hit also that day? If so, it helps the NWR. Moreover, since the mole didn't work, you have been increasingly desperate to get people to listen to it. You post that you believe the mole even though just yesterday you were ready to examine Mario's voting patterns. You post in the mole thread to get people to listen to the mole again. Then, when people start voting for you, you use my logic lie. Finally, Spak basically comes out and exposes you. Then suddenly, you are willing to tell us your true identity but begin fighting a new arguement. Through all of this, the only thing we have gained about your motives is a desperation to keep people from listening to Spak and have them kill him but not kill Ceric.

What do you care if people kill Ceric? If Ceric is a townie, he has to die at some point for your mafia to live. If he's a townie and the viglante kills him, that's the end of the vigilante. You should be endorsing Ceric as mafia if he is innocent. His death benefits your chances of a mafia victory. But instead, you have rallied hard for Ceric to live.


And finally, we cannot stop Spak's hit tonight. So, why should we kill him? If he is lying to us and does kill a townie with his hit, what can we do now? It can't be stopped. Plus, tomorrow he will be unable to do anything. But, we can stop you from gaining this mafia power, we can verify if he was right about Ceric and we can slow the NWR mafia by letting him live through the night. That is something you are trying to prevent. That is not working for the townies.

There is one final benefit to Spak living the night. He can investigate one person tomorrow. He may yet discover the remaing mafia member. That is soething else you would be desperate to prevent because you are looking out for the NWR. It's what all the evidence leads to.

That is why I support Spak.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: ShyGuy on January 13, 2007, 02:46:58 PM
EDIT: Oops, wrong thread. Guess this is why they call me the Podcast idiot! Hahaha you losers are dead...
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 13, 2007, 02:51:12 PM
Hooray, Svevan has joined us. I agree with everything you say about movies.

You are totally right about the Bourne Supremacy. Totally one of the best films of 2004.

And 2001: A Space Odyessy. 2 viewings each year please. I recommend watching this movie at midnight. The darkness adds to the feel of space and a tired brain helps transport you even more into it's atmosphere.

Please, post more opinions Svevan. You are our leader. I curse the philistines who dirty up your movie threads with votes.

By the way, what happened to your head? It seems dislocated.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: NuclearSpeed on January 13, 2007, 07:22:48 PM
this game is going crazy and I even have some insider info too on the whole bit, can't wait to see what happens. i say this is tough getting out early and wanting to say things and have to wait cause it could influence folks.

and khush i would be interested in your theories
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2007, 07:24:05 PM
I can't wait to post here and feel legitimate about it! Can't wait!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2007, 08:12:55 PM
I'm legit! I'm legit!

*sigh* Now I can relax and watch what unfolds next.

Oh, and let me declare my undying HATRED for 18 Days for putting me in that stressful, hated position. Whoever does the next mafia, make me a TOWNIE.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 13, 2007, 08:18:16 PM
I just realized that this thread is more fun when you're a townie and the mystery is still ripe in your mind.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 14, 2007, 12:36:19 AM
Kairon:  I completely understand what you saying...the first time I read I was the Godmother, I wanted to trade roles immediately...that position is so stressful...you are just constantly trying to figure out what is best for ALL your team.  You did a great job leading your Mafia.

Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 14, 2007, 08:53:46 AM
Oh man. Kairon was the godfather? That's unbelievable! Spak really did avenge his mafia. What's even more amazing is that on the second day, I had this feeling that I might be killed that I couldn't shake. So, I figured I should send out a few quick messages to people asking if they wanted to hook up. My hope was that I might contact a mafia member and this would get them to spare since I would be working for them. Two of those people were Kairon and Spak.  That would have made for an interesting alliance.


And congratulations to Kairon. I think I can probably award you the best new player award. Well, it is true that you died and you slowly became more obvious as a mafia member, and yes, there is still one other new player playing, you helped create one of the best moments in the game and you were very close to setting up your mafia for a good end run. Unfortunately, the mole might have turned some people off. But, it was a really interesting fight yesterday and you nearly had Spak voted out.

And I hope you don't have any hard feelings over the fight yesterday. I was trying to resist joining in it but once you posted in the dead thread a couple of times, I figured it allowed me some leeway to fire some arguements back. I always like a good mafia fight. Plus, as I mentioned in that post I removed yesterday, once you staked your life on the mole's claim, I knew you were mafia. It's a move I pulled in Mafia 7, 9 and 11. And now it has been pulled in Mafia 13. Something about odd mafias. So, I was just dying to remind my fellow townies of that act. But, instead of just calling you out, I figured I'd just fight you on your arguements.

Still, I liked you and your play alot. It actually reminded me of myself in many ways (which isn't always bad). I liked how you kept rallying around my death too. Nice touch.



And finally, you and Spak should actually be happy you got the Godfather role. I've played quite a few mafia games but have never had that role. Still, that's a tough role to get for your first game. I think you'll find any role easier next time.  
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 14, 2007, 09:47:01 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Khushrenada
And finally, you and Spak should actually be happy you got the Godfather role. I've played quite a few mafia games but have never had that role. Still, that's a tough role to get for your first game. I think you'll find any role easier next time.


I talked to Spak a bit before the game started and we shared the common fear that he'd die at the first public vote, considering how bad his reputation is for that sort of thing. But I'm proud of the way he went down fighting.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 14, 2007, 10:21:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Khushrenada
Oh man. Kairon was the godfather? That's unbelievable! Spak really did avenge his mafia. What's even more amazing is that on the second day, I had this feeling that I might be killed that I couldn't shake. So, I figured I should send out a few quick messages to people asking if they wanted to hook up. My hope was that I might contact a mafia member and this would get them to spare since I would be working for them. Two of those people were Kairon and Spak.  That would have made for an interesting alliance.


So much for your vaunted theories huh? I'd like to hear them if you'd PM them to me... Not in this thread because we gotta spare the living the dirty details of the dead now!

Also, a hearty welcome to Spak-Spang! I think it's pretty neat that both godparents died the same day. Has that ever happened before? Too bad that TYP fellow had to crash the party...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 14, 2007, 10:22:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Shift Key
I talked to Spak a bit before the game started and we shared the common fear that he'd die at the first public vote, considering how bad his reputation is for that sort of thing.


Ah, lucky for you that Segagamer12's reputation is worse now ain't it?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 14, 2007, 10:41:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Shift Key
When the roles went out, the mafia people didn't know who was the Godfather, but we knew that we had a turncoat and mole to deal with - not a great way to start things off.

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RAB was suprised when we used our kill on our own mafia - I really thought that was key to our survival.


This is what I don't get. You see... seeding distrust and killing off members of your own group isn't a recipe for loyalty, and it may drive the double agent to the other side, or drive the turncoat to spill everything he knows to the first person he finds lest he not be alive to do so tomorrow.

Besides, the roles for the turncoat and double agent emphasized CHOICE. They could CHOOSE which side to join, which mafia to betray, if any. That turncoat shouldn't be voted out, but instead courted and rewarded and made to feel like he/she was on the winning team. And that double agent should be treated with kid gloves.

Besides, focusing your attention inwards with 15+ enemies out there going for your throat is a waste of time. You're just doing your enemy's job for them.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 14, 2007, 10:59:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon

This is what I don't get. You see... seeding distrust and killing off members of your own group isn't a recipe for loyalty, and it may drive the double agent to the other side, or drive the turncoat to spill everything he knows to the first person he finds lest he not be alive to do so tomorrow.

Besides, the roles for the turncoat and double agent emphasized CHOICE. They could CHOOSE which side to join, which mafia to betray, if any. That turncoat shouldn't be voted out, but instead courted and rewarded and made to feel like he/she was on the winning team. And that double agent should be treated with kid gloves.

Besides, focusing your attention inwards with 15+ enemies out there going for your throat is a waste of time. You're just doing your enemy's job for them.



Ah yes, but as I was loyal to the mafia only (and received no communication from anyone aside from Spak) we decided that we had to force the moles alleigances by finding them and/or eliminating them. We had contacted Ceric and decided to eliminate NS after the vigilante hit because we suspected that he leaked out our info to the townies.

But it turns out that the other mafia already found us out (and the townies weren't far off finding out either). So it was really a "rock and a hard place" situation so we really had to throw tactfulness out the window and do as much damage as possible (perhaps that last hit was misdirected, but it was planned).

The thought of an allied Mafia crossed my mind (and others) and it would have been nice to see us not annihilating eachother until we found the key Townies, but I don't regret the choices we made. We just needed a bit of luck and perhaps we could have lasted longer.

Such is life.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 15, 2007, 02:15:10 AM
OH, oops.  I thought the Turncoat had to change sides.  That he only won if the townies win.  EEK.  I guess my apologies to NuclearSpeed.  If I had known that I would have played the game differently.  

Now, for Kairon I must say, he is genius.  He was able to come up with a story that almost completely discredited mine...even when I was telling the truth...or was I?  (Yes I was.)  

Brilliant.  And the twist with the Assassin killing Kairon was brilliant.  Now, the NWR Mafia lost a player, but gained a player that nobody knows at the same time.  They are still 3 strong...when my plan would of hopefully made them two or one strong.

To TYP (The Youngest Plumber)  my hit on you was a final request from Pyro...he thought you ordered the hit against him.  That is unless I misunderstood the message.  He just wrote I know who ordered my hit.  TYP kill him.  So I am slightly sorry you are dead.

With that being said, I will leave you one mystery to ponder.

Since I killed TYP a townie, Kairon's Mafia could be right...Ceric may be innocent, or not actually innocent but a BOMBER.  My last action could have been to try to take out 3 Townies and the Bomber as my last move of the game.  TYP the one I killed, And trying to get you to vote for Ceric.  

Either that or my initial story is true.  But I will tell you one thing.  I didn't want you voting Kairon off, I wanted the Vigilante to hit him, and you guys to vote off Ceric.  Which is why I kept on stressing 100% fact Ceric is Mafia.  

Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on January 15, 2007, 02:42:13 AM
Oh.  I'm dead.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Kairon on January 15, 2007, 07:32:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Brilliant.  And the twist with the Assassin killing Kairon was brilliant.


What assassin? I see no mention of my assassin activating him/herself anywhere!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 15, 2007, 07:58:05 AM
Yeah. I don't see anything saying the assassin took over the role. In fact, TYP is listed as the Godfather of the mafia now.

However, 18 Days only mentioned the Funhouse assassin as reverting to a townie role and not the NWR assassin. It could be she forgot or the fact that the role was used. Interesting.

And now, let us ask ourselves some questions.

How long will it take to find the remaining mafia members?


Who is the bomber?

And does the bomber have a chance of making it to the end of the game?


If the mole was from the NWR mafia and those members do know who the bomber is, will they reveal it? Or will they keep it hidden in an effort to let the bomber win? Or will they try to get people to vote for the bomber and get them closer to a narrow victory?

Finally, will this Zombie role ever be used? If it does come into play, how will it actually work and how will it change the current situation?


I think we should have an interesting final half. The bomber has outlasted 17 people already. He just has to outlast at least 12 more. Not the best odds but it helps that people are still focused on the mafia. What would happen if the bomber made it to 6 people left? Or 5? Could be some interesting paranoia. Things are actually getting more interesting.
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 15, 2007, 08:03:48 AM
And Spak. The TYP hit? Very sad. Once TYP changed his vote to save you and vote out Kairon, you should have thought that he just might be innocent.

It's also dissappointing because there were a few people I wanted to see last a longtime in this game. But most of them have died now or been killed. There are only two people left who I'm still rooting for to last, regardless of their role. If anyone's wondering, he's the list off the top of my head of people I wasn't going to vote for and wanted to see last:

Pale, Vudu, TYP, Spak, Pryo.  There might have been someone else that I can't think of at the moment but I just wanted to see them last for awhile since these people always seem to get voted for early. Oh well. At least a few still have a chance to join in a victory. A TOWNIE victory.


EDIT: Yes! Bill. I knew I was forgetting someone. The problem was there was nothing I could do for Bill this game. I was too late for the first day and then he was dead.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: vudu on January 15, 2007, 08:04:54 AM
You forgot Bill; he always seems to die on day one.
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 15, 2007, 08:28:57 AM
Oh, yeah...as I said that hit was purely for Pyro...but I hit the wrong person.

Kairon:  I got confused, because they changed the name of the Godfather (I thought) so I guess I assumed that the Assassin hit.  

Truly, he should have.  If he had the Mafia would have been stronger, and it would have been a huge twist.  Kairon's death vote for the townies would have been reverted to Me, who was hit by the Vigilante.  In the end it would have been NO LOSE to NWR Mafia.  Perhaps, that is why I assumed that happened.

Anyway, I got caught up in the moment of arguing with Kairon, and didn't see the TYP vote change...that error and that entire hit was my misjudgment, nobody elses.

Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 15, 2007, 08:31:01 AM
It will be interesting if people vote ceric this day or not.  Did people believe my story or not.

In this death thread I gave two possibilities about ceric and my overall plans.  Obviously, one is turn and one isn't.  Let's see what happens next.

Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Shift Key on January 15, 2007, 07:16:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Khushrenada
Yeah. I don't see anything saying the assassin took over the role. In fact, TYP is listed as the Godfather of the mafia now.

However, 18 Days only mentioned the Funhouse assassin as reverting to a townie role and not the NWR assassin. It could be she forgot or the fact that the role was used. Interesting.


The Funhouse assassin is now a townie because the Funhouse mafia is dead (unless the SUPER character decides to split from NWR and go it alone). However, there is a new NWR godfather, replacing Kairon, so the NWR assassin still has a target.

Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Ceric on January 16, 2007, 05:49:54 AM
I leave for a day and the whole mafia gets killed....
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 16, 2007, 06:22:33 AM
Whoopee!

8 Deaths in one day. Neeeeeeeeeeew Reeeeeeeeeecord! Let's see, so, we had the bomber, the assassins, the vigilante and five mafia members, including 3 godfathers die in 2 days. Well, I guess that wraps everything up in a neat tidy package. I'd like to thank Wandering, Shyguy, Mario, Dasmos, Zach and sir_stabbalot for getting that townie win for the rest of us. I always believed in you guys. So, now most of our questions have been answered, except for these ones:


Who was the mole? I suspect we will soon have a mod confirm that identity for us. Unless that person wishes to step forward now.


Who is Zoidberg?

And can Zoidberg win the game by killing everyone off? Or did he win with the townie victory and this is just a bonus game?


Oh, and Athrun Zala. I like that last vote you made. The game was lacking something before but now all is well.  
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 16, 2007, 07:19:34 AM
I would also like to add a special thanks to Khush.  Most people die in the game and don't pay attention or bring excitement to the game.  Even dead.  Khush was adding much to the enjoyment of the game, by keeping stats, theories, and predictions.  It made coming to the Dead Thread almost a requirement for each day you played Mafia...just get another opinion on what is going on.

A big CONGRATS to a townie victory...and to NWR for some very skilled Mafia turmoil throughout.  And thanks everyone for helping me throughout this game learn.  Shift-Key you were right hand man this game.  Thanks.

Ceric and NuclearSpeed if I had a better understanding of the rules, things may have turned out differently.  

And for all those that put up with my self invoked rambling war with Kairon...thanks for putting up with it.  

Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: MysticGohan on January 16, 2007, 07:58:41 AM
heh, I tried to warn you guys, something bad would happen. but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, you suicidal maniacs wanted to vote for me. I said I'll go out with a bang! so you get to ride with me to hell
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2007, 09:46:01 AM
Why you think I didn't vote for you Mystic?

"Just because you haven't played an FPS in 8 months doesn't mean the next pile that comes by is the best FPS yet."
Title: RE: Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: MysticGohan on January 16, 2007, 11:14:41 AM
Or did you..? :p
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: segagamer12 on January 16, 2007, 12:53:11 PM
well this game ok except I didnt even get to play but thatw as to be expected.  
Title: RE:Mafia XIII Ghost thread
Post by: Khushrenada on January 16, 2007, 04:17:14 PM
I don't know if it is possible to die again or if I would lose my share in the townie victory if I'm voted for again but just to make sure that there isn't an indignity done to my already rotting carcass and because of this uncertainty, let me address this to Svevan (ShyGuy):

I am not Zoidberg. I am a townie. You can talk to Zach for confirmation. 18 Days sent all townies the same message. Or at least, we both had the same message. We were going to work together but I was dead too soon. Anyways, don't waste your vote on me and please don't ruin my chances to share in a win after I have been rooting you along so much. I don't know how much I can say since I'm supposed to be dead yet somehow the dead people are sort of still playing because of this but this should give you all the information you need.