Topic: Wii Overtakes Xbox360 In WorldWide Sales

[NWR_pap64]

Wow, you know you have gone too far when the management gives you warnings about your behavior. I thought his posts were too much but not so bad that the management had to give warnings.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: IceCold
I've always disagreed with this, and I always will. Nintendo just got the perfect strategy for the Wii - they differentiated themselves and put the marketing in the hands of the console development.

While I do agree that Nintendo did everything right, Sony doing everything wrong did play a factor in their success.

You have to figure that, as soon as they announced the price of the PS3, a lot of developers began to look REALLY hard at the alternatives, especially the Wii after its great showing at E3.

If the PS3 was $400 from the start, I expect it wouldn't be in anywhere near the trouble it's in because of the exclusives which are jumping ship to the Wii wouldn't have had a reason to leave.

So while I definitely think Nintendo did many things right with the Wii, I still think Sony's bungling helped pave the way for Nintendo's success by making the PS3 a non-option for so many developers.  

[UncleBob]

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Originally posted by: IceCold

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. I think we as Nintendo fans deserve better than what we've got so far on the Wii. The third party support is horrible for example.

And is that Nintendo's fault? They've basically laid the table for third parties - lower costs for developer kits, much lower cost to develop a Wii game, highest userbase and software tie-in ratio, and potential for innovation. It's just that the whole industry has a mental block when it comes to Nintendo.. hopefully the dollars change their minds.

To be fair, part of the reason why a lot of third parties dislike working on Nintendo systems is because Nintendo's 1st Party efforts are so good and they sell so well that no one buys the crappier third party games like what they'll settle for on the other systems.  So *that*  part is Nintendo's fault.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob

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Originally posted by: IceCold

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. I think we as Nintendo fans deserve better than what we've got so far on the Wii. The third party support is horrible for example.

And is that Nintendo's fault? They've basically laid the table for third parties - lower costs for developer kits, much lower cost to develop a Wii game, highest userbase and software tie-in ratio, and potential for innovation. It's just that the whole industry has a mental block when it comes to Nintendo.. hopefully the dollars change their minds.

To be fair, part of the reason why a lot of third parties dislike working on Nintendo systems is because Nintendo's 1st Party efforts are so good and they sell so well that no one buys the crappier third party games like what they'll settle for on the other systems.  So *that*  part is Nintendo's fault.

Well Nintendo better start making crappy games.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: IceCold
I've always disagreed with this, and I always will. Nintendo just got the perfect strategy for the Wii - they differentiated themselves and put the marketing in the hands of the console development.

While I do agree that Nintendo did everything right, Sony doing everything wrong did play a factor in their success.

You have to figure that, as soon as they announced the price of the PS3, a lot of developers began to look REALLY hard at the alternatives, especially the Wii after its great showing at E3.

If the PS3 was $400 from the start, I expect it wouldn't be in anywhere near the trouble it's in because of the exclusives which are jumping ship to the Wii wouldn't have had a reason to leave.

So while I definitely think Nintendo did many things right with the Wii, I still think Sony's bungling helped pave the way for Nintendo's success by making the PS3 a non-option for so many developers.

This is true.

Sony "won" E3 2005. The special MTV preview of the 360 disappointed a lot of fans and many thought the MS press conference was a tad underwhelming. The media highly criticized Nintendo for not showing anything about the Wii, showing a lot of old games for the GC and the massive unveiling of the GBA micro. Sony wowed people like crazy, even with pre-rendered demo videos.

It wasn't till E3 2006 when they announced the price of the PS3 along with its weak lineup and hilarious conference that the Wii and 360 suddenly looked BETTER in comparison.

So yeah, Sony screwing did play into Nintendo's success.

[Mashiro]

Agreed with Sony screwing up, hence ended up helping Nintendo to become a success once again.

It was something I knew would happen with the PS3, it's something I am GLAD happened to the PS3 and I am glad Sony is in dead last for once.

Viva la Revolution! Viva la Wii!

[Smash_Brother]

By all means, Nintendo deserves it, but Sony made it very, very easy for them.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I think this is a load of crap that Sony made the Wii a success, yes Sony shot themselves in the foot but there was more to Wii's success than that. If you recall during E3 when the Wii was first playable EVERYONE swarmed to the Wii booth, which was long before Sony got the chance to screw up so many things. That right there showed NIntendo had something special going, and to not give Nintendo credit for it is absolutely ridiculous. The same can be said about the NDS, which IMO, proved that gamers are looking for new experiences with gaming. It may be hard for some to admit, but Nintendo actually knows what they are doing now.

[Mashiro]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I think this is a load of crap that Sony made the Wii a success, yes Sony shot themselves in the foot but there was more to Wii's success than that. If you recall during E3 when the Wii was first playable EVERYONE swarmed to the Wii booth, which was long before Sony got the chance to screw up so many things. That right there showed NIntendo had something special going, and to not give Nintendo credit for it is absolutely ridiculous. The same can be said about the NDS, which IMO, proved that gamers are looking for new experiences with gaming. It may be hard for some to admit, but Nintendo actually knows what they are doing now.

You can't say that it didn't HELP though, which is what it did. It helped.

If Sony's PS3 was indeed handled properly (like at E3) it could be a very different story for Nintendo right now. Not to say the Wii wouldn't have been a success but it may not have shook up the industry so much.

Remember PS3 being in, well, dead last pretty much knocked all the developers and analysts and everyone else expecting Sony to be the run away success this gen on their asses.

With Sony screwing up and Nintendo doing many of the right things this time around, it makes for a much easier switch in power (so to speak).

Much like how when Nintendo stumbled with N64, it allowed Sony to become top dog. Yes I am over simplifying this statement by great leaps and bounds but you know what I mean =).

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Mashiro

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I think this is a load of crap that Sony made the Wii a success, yes Sony shot themselves in the foot but there was more to Wii's success than that. If you recall during E3 when the Wii was first playable EVERYONE swarmed to the Wii booth, which was long before Sony got the chance to screw up so many things. That right there showed NIntendo had something special going, and to not give Nintendo credit for it is absolutely ridiculous. The same can be said about the NDS, which IMO, proved that gamers are looking for new experiences with gaming. It may be hard for some to admit, but Nintendo actually knows what they are doing now.

You can't say that it didn't HELP though, which is what it did. It helped.

If Sony's PS3 was indeed handled properly (like at E3) it could be a very different story for Nintendo right now. Not to say the Wii wouldn't have been a success but it may not have shook up the industry so much.

Remember PS3 being in, well, dead last pretty much knocked all the developers and analysts and everyone else expecting Sony to be the run away success this gen on their asses.

With Sony screwing up and Nintendo doing many of the right things this time around, it makes for a much easier switch in power (so to speak).

Much like how when Nintendo stumbled with N64, it allowed Sony to become top dog. Yes I am over simplifying this statement by great leaps and bounds but you know what I mean =).

I have no disagreement that Sony helped Nintendo lead, but even if they didn't screw up I think it would have been a close race because of Nintendo's approach this time around with a low price system.  

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I think this is a load of crap that Sony made the Wii a success, yes Sony shot themselves in the foot but there was more to Wii's success than that. If you recall during E3 when the Wii was first playable EVERYONE swarmed to the Wii booth, which was long before Sony got the chance to screw up so many things. That right there showed NIntendo had something special going, and to not give Nintendo credit for it is absolutely ridiculous. The same can be said about the NDS, which IMO, proved that gamers are looking for new experiences with gaming. It may be hard for some to admit, but Nintendo actually knows what they are doing now.

Yeah, but to say that Sony's stupid decisions didn't help a bit is silly as well.

Back on the N64 era the reason the Playstation became a success was because Nintendo kept screwing both the fans and the developers with their lack of games, silly decisions and hard to develop for hardware. The N64 did well but their mistakes cost them greatly and thus the reason why Sony was leader for two whole generations.

History is repeating again. The price of the PS3, along with high development costs, underwhelming game lineup and tacked on "innovative" controls has affected Sony giving both the Wii and the 360 a lead in the race.

In fact, let me put it this way: Sony, MS and Nintendo are racers in a marathon. Sony is in the lead, but all of a sudden he gets a cramp and slows down greatly. MS and Nintendo see this and sprint ahead Sony and towards the finish line. The judges and fan will say that the racers worked hard but will acknowledge that Sony's slowdown during the middle of the race helped them reach the goal.

[UERD]

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GP's new sig

Does this mean I can finally play MP3 without standing on my head?

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<big install base>

To play devil's advocate, how many of those units are like the ones in nursing homes, where the people who play games will never do anything besides Wii Sports and maybe Brain Age or whatever- exclusive-casual gamers, to coin a new crappy term. Wii's install base reaches into the 'blue ocean', now it's a matter of getting all those people (especially non-gamers) to walk into a store and buy more games.

I don't think it's a tremendous issue, though. I'd be willing to bet that a large part of the 'first-time' Wii install base is comprised of 'gamers' who also own another console but are willing to try something new.

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Sony is in the lead, but all of a sudden he gets a cramp and slows down greatly.

EA 2006 was like Sony drinking too much water before the race and throwing up. Recent sales numbers are the cramp, and Lair was the bunch of people hired by the Triads to break his legs before he could go any further.

[tacky fad]

The real worst console ever from nintendo was the n64. It had exactly 3 decent games. harvest moon, Mangina Masque, and Paper mario. It was also the console that killed Mario with the horrid mario 64, and it killed Zelda with Ocarina of lame and is directly responsible for the pile of crap known as Toilet Princess. n64 made me hate video games. gamecube restored some hope. Toilet princess ruined Zelda again.

I wish tacky fad were my father.


- The Management  

[IceCold]

Oh damn.. you better get ready to back those statements up, tacky..

[Djunknown]

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But what happens when the Wii's worldwide install base exceeds the combined PS3 and XBox 360 installed base? It's gonna happen soon, with the Wii over the XBox 360 worldwide, that leaves about 3 or 4 million PS3s to outsell.

* Hat*
It won't happen by the end of this year. Especially this year, with the mad influx of games coming out. One could say that the holiday season kicks off September 25, with the release of Halo 3. Bio Shock and Metroid Prime 3 were the precursors. Unless Sony and Microsoft fail to sell a single console since Financial Times gave these numbers, their numbers put together will still outnumber the Wii. The Wii get a bigger piece of the pie, but not the whole thing. That's why you're going to see more 360/PS3 (and PC) titles and less exclusives.  EA for example, supposedly 're-focusing' their efforts on the Wii, haven't released Skate on the system. Even though it begs for Wii controls.

*Off hat*

Anyway, can't we all just be happy and savor this moment? Is that too much to ask?

[Mashiro]

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Originally posted by: tacky fad
The real worst console ever from nintendo was the n64. It had exactly 3 decent games. harvest moon, Mangina Masque, and Paper mario. It was also the console that killed Mario with the horrid mario 64, and it killed Zelda with Ocarina of lame and is directly responsible for the pile of crap known as Toilet Princess. n64 made me hate video games. gamecube restored some hope. Toilet princess ruined Zelda again.

Incoming forum ban.

If I was a mod . . . which I'm not . . .

Mario 64 horrid? OoLame? Well I mean I didn't like OoT all too much but it was far from lame (I felt it was ahead of its time if anything and I knew the later Zelda incarnations would benefit from increased technology to convey it's great system of play).

I give you credit though man you are the first person I ever heard call Mario 64 horrid.

What about Star Fox 64 and Goldeneye? You didn't like those either? No Mario Kart?

Futhermore, what the hell made you like GC MORE than N64? All GC had were sequels to what was on N64 for the most part lol.

[AzureNightmare]

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Originally posted by: Mashiro

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Originally posted by: tacky fad
The real worst console ever from nintendo was the n64. It had exactly 3 decent games. harvest moon, Mangina Masque, and Paper mario. It was also the console that killed Mario with the horrid mario 64, and it killed Zelda with Ocarina of lame and is directly responsible for the pile of crap known as Toilet Princess. n64 made me hate video games. gamecube restored some hope. Toilet princess ruined Zelda again.

Incoming forum ban.

If I was a mod . . . which I'm not . . .

Mario 64 horrid? OoLame? Well I mean I didn't like OoT all too much but it was far from lame (I felt it was ahead of its time if anything and I knew the later Zelda incarnations would benefit from increased technology to convey it's great system of play).

I give you credit though man you are the first person I ever heard call Mario 64 horrid.

What about Star Fox 64 and Goldeneye? You didn't like those either? No Mario Kart?

Futhermore, what the hell made you like GC MORE than N64? All GC had were sequels to what was on N64 for the most part lol.

You're forgetting that I'm here, watching over this thread like a hawk. Let me make this clear to those who wish to troll this thread, once and only once, do NOT make me repeat myself. I will NOT tollerate trolling, flaming, derailing, or personal attacks in this thread. Think before you post, or the consequences will be heavy and their execution swift and decisive. You have been warned.

[tacky fad]

Reasonless flaming?

Mario 64 sucked because it wasn't a mario game. it was a wander arouond aimlessly and collect stars game. That's not mario. Mario is go from the beginning of the stage to the end of the stage. That is why Mario galaxy looks like what a mario in 3d should be. There are no planets large enough for that wander around aimlessly nonsense.

Ocarina of time sucked because of Adult linque with the earring and the insipid dungeons which were way too many and its overall ugliness. Also the stealth sequences. The worst parts of Wind Waker were derived from Suckarina of time. That insipid indoors music, stealth sequences. I was ready for OOt to end after the stupid fish dungeon but it kept dragging and dragging and dragging. Also that stupid horse. TP sucked because it rejected all the right moves made in Mangina Masque and Windu Wakeru and forsook them all to please the incompetent fanboys who wanted an OOT expansion pak. And it sucked.

So no, it's not reasonless flaming. All the kids have their rose-coloured n64 glasses on and I want to rip them off and let them see that pile of suckage for what it was. A disgrace to Nintendo consoles.

This guy is the best poster on the fourms.

- The Management  

[Mashiro]

AzureNightmare /swoon =D

So all in all I think this is pretty much the start of what is bound to be an amazing second half of the year for Nintendo. Wii taking the lead, MP3 doing awesome with sales and owning up Bioshock . . .

what's going to happen when Smash Bros. Brawl and SMG get launched?

World Domination people that's what! =) It's a good time to be a Nintendo fan once again ::tosses up confetti:: Everybody party!

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So no, it's not reasonless flaming. All the kids have their rose-coloured n64 glasses on and I want to rip them off and let them see that pile of suckage for what it was. A disgrace to Nintendo consoles.

:: Deep breaths:: Well your trolling skills are strong with you young one.

It's not as if millions of people played the games you're insulting and enjoyed them or anything. They just have rose-coloured N64 glasses on. It's not as if the system broke ground and revolutionized 3D gaming in many regards or anything. Or introduce/adopt now industry standards (4 ports, rumble pack, analog stick . . .).

[Kairon]

.... wow.

[King of Twitch]

My N64 glasses were tinted atomic purple

[AManatee2]

I want to thank the N64 basher for making this forum read pretty well entertaining. And useless.

All in all, I see where Ian was coming from. He has felt the same way I have... I feel there has been a serious lack of depth in the games so far. I know that by the end of this console generation, my Wii is going to a glowing prize with it's huge library of favorite old classics and probably some brilliantly designed games. I do wish, and this is my opinion... as is everything in a forum, that it had a little bit more horsepower, but I wish even more that developers would put some effort into the visuals. And dear lord no more PS2 ports, or for that matter games that come out on PSP.... and Wii. (Here's lookin' at you, Heroes... though heroes does have 32 online multiplayer.. wth?)

I feel we've got a lot to look forward to as Nintendo gamers. I'm even excited about games like the recently announced "Smarty Pants" from EA and Nintendo's upcoming popularity channel. And believe it or not, the day that keyboard support is added for the Internet Channel is a day I'll buy a USB keyboard. I actually make use of it as it is.  

[GoldenPhoenix]

Yikes, gamefaqs is spreading to NWR more and more each day!

[AzureNightmare]

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Yikes, gamefaqs is spreading to NWR more and more each day!

you speaketh truth.

[KDR_11k]

Next person to spell it "Rouge Leader" gets a ticket straight to hell!