Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Evan_B on May 02, 2015, 07:37:26 AM
Title: The OFFICIAL E3 2015 Predictions Thread: Reel in those expectations!
Post by: Evan_B on May 02, 2015, 07:37:26 AM
So since NWR has deemed the current time period worthy of hyping up the oncoming 2015 Electronics Entertainment Expo, I figured it was time we enjoyed our own thread for E3 discussion, with the first major subject, of course, being predictions.
I thought I'd do the honors since my predictions are bleak and most likely a good ballpark of want we'll be seeing this year, so let's get the ball rolling, shall we?
Wii U--
-More information and perhaps a Mother 3 appearance on Wii U virtual console in order to promote the character. Potential Wolf reveal. -Starfox is revealed as an episodic series with a season pass, with each episode featuring one of Miyamoto's crazy Wii U ideas both in the episode and as a separated mini game. This is the Holiday release. -Fatal Frame is given an October release date because reasons. -Devil's Third occupies a late summer release date. -Xenoblade Chronicles X is given a bizarre holiday release date because Starfox is episodic/Zelda U didn't make it OR is delayed until next year. -Mario Maker is given an absurd amount of coverage despite its light amount of content. -Animal Crossing Wii U is announced, releases early 2016 -A new and entirely bullshit Amiibo App launches.
3DS--
-Nintendo laughs in the face of those who want first party support on 3DS. Something boring and easy is announced for the system and Nintendo gives no effort to justify the existence of the New 3DS. -Okay, that's not entirely true. Nintendo announces an Amiibo Tap type program for N3DS and gives us a new Pokemon title.
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Post by: King of Twitch on May 02, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
That sounds about right. The Starfox announcement is kicked off with an Arwing drone controlled by Reggie. It hovers around a bit then crashes into Michael Pachter in the first row; Reggie just goes "guess you didn't predict that one, huh?" Cooking Dada is announced for 3DS (avant-garde art game that sells 0 copies).
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 02, 2015, 03:19:24 PM
Given how loosey-goosey Nintendo has been about announcing Wii U games to promote the idea that the console has legs, I'm betting this E3 will be pretty dispositive about the future. If we get the Evan_B presentation (don't forget ten minutes each on Splatoon and Wooly World!), it can be safely assumed that they stopped greenlighting major projects at some point in the last year-and-a-half/two years, and it will be a Wii-esque trickle to the finish line/breakdown lane, with the NX replacement in 2016. Maybe a few Captain Toad-esque projects to keep the lights on.
If we do end up getting a few major surprises, say a new Metroid/Retro game, a few surprise third-party releases, there may be more life in the Wii U yet, as it'll have to last until holiday 2017. I don't expect this.
As for 3DS, they pretty much have to have some additional New-spec games. Probably at least a Wii port. Other than that, they've kind of hit most of the first-party bases already. Other than localizations, the only thing that would really toot the core horn would be a new 2D Metroid
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 02, 2015, 03:48:35 PM
The problem with Metroid is, since it's a series that's a lot more popular in the west, despite the efforts of Other M to raise its profile in Japan, I'd think if hey we're going to make a new one they'd probably want to do it on a console, and if they were doing that I think they might want to hold off for the next one.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 02, 2015, 05:49:39 PM
Splatoon tournament.
Smash invitational II
Amiibo Support for EVERYTHING
FAST RACING NEO
Retro's game
Some sequel ending in 3
That's pretty much it.
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Post by: Triforce Hermit on May 02, 2015, 07:51:44 PM
Realistically:
- Updates on all games coming out for the next year. Nothing new announced - More Amiibo are announced. Cries for a resupply are ignored. - New Nintendo award system/unified account system explained - A remake of something
Wishful thinking:
- Amiibo Resupply - Virtual Console receives a massive update. Gamecube games for the Wii U including Twilight Princess and Path of Radiance. SNES games for the 3DS Virtual Console including Super Mario World and Starfox. - F-Zero game or Metroid game for the Wii U
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 03, 2015, 12:15:00 AM
The problem with Metroid is, since it's a series that's a lot more popular in the west, despite the efforts of Other M to raise its profile in Japan, I'd think if hey we're going to make a new one they'd probably want to do it on a console, and if they were doing that I think they might want to hold off for the next one.
It doesn't really matter for Metroid since it's aimed at the more hardcore Nintendo fans who either already own a Wii U for Smash Bros, or would buy one for Metroid anyway. Unless they completely revamp the franchise, it's never going to have mass appeal so it doesn't gain much being saved for a new console plus releasing a traditional Metroid of some kind would be a smart decision to help please all the core Nintendo fans who've been buying and own a Wii U.
When Retro said they could have made a Metroid instead of Tropical Freeze and Nintendo has mentioned interest in making a new Metroid, I wouldn't be surprised if a Retro Metroid is announced at E3 this year with it being either Prime 4, or a 2D Metroid using the Tropical Freeze engine to help save cost.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 03, 2015, 01:08:07 AM
I never knew how much I wanted this until just now. I just got Tropical Freeze today and it is magnificent!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 03, 2015, 01:12:22 AM
I really don't want Prime 4. The Prime games were amazing, but I feel like they've done everything they can with that style. Even if it's Retro making it, I hope they go in a different direction. I think 2D in the style you mentioned would probably be the ideal way to go, since it'd probably be the most pleasing to the fans and it's been so long since they made a game like that.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 03, 2015, 02:00:59 AM
Yeah that actually sounds damn skippy, especially given that the Freeze engine probably wouldn't get used again for anything, as it's highly unlikely that Retro is making DKCR3. (I guess there's a possibility Monster could use it to do a follow-up title, but even then I would wager it'd be for the N3DS and thus use their engine from the previous port.)
I'll reiterate my idea for such an enterprise, as I think it could work extremely well with the Freeze engine. Do a true 2.5 game, playing field is 2D, map is organized along three dimensions. Work that perspective into the gameplay design. You'd have to solve the navigational issues present in something like Fez or Lone Survivor, and have a much more effective map than either of those games. And figure out some way to deal with the opposite side of a corridor/work it into the gameplay.
The 2D "Metroidvania" formula has been done to death at this point with the indie influx, the genre needs a kick in the ass that isn't a total dimensional leap ala Prime. Other M was the worst of both worlds, but there might also be a best. I mean, the genre hasn't meaningfully evolved since Super Metroid. There have been standouts, like Fusion, Zero Mission, Circle of the Moon, and Shadow Complex, but nothing transformative. I actually thought Lament of Innocence was onto something, but those games got slammed. Lauded games like Guacamelee and Ori and the Blind Forest are just pushing different elements to the front of the Super Metroid shape: Guacemelee has a beat-em-up combat focus that ties progression to fighting moves; Ori puts a focus on precise Klonoa-esque platforming; both games have totally stale world design.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 03, 2015, 03:55:34 AM
I hope we get to see some Quality of Life products. I might buy one of those sleeping devices.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on May 03, 2015, 11:09:15 AM
3DS - Nintendo Rhythm Tengoku The Best +, I doubt the game will show up at E3 but I swear to God I will weep salty tears if it slips due to the NX in 2016. Girls Mode 3 - This may show up although I don't think the digital event is the right time and or place to announce such a game, may be stealth announced like Mario Party was last year. Fire Emblem IF - I think this will be absent, it is too close to the Japanese release and too far away from the English release, will probably get it's own direct. Mother 3D - Call me a starmen.net conspiracist but I think Mother 3D is an absolute lock for E3. It has been teased at least twice by NCL/NOA, Iwata said to expect more remakes on 3DS and Lucas comes out in June, the month of E3. Coincidence? I think not. The Great Detective Pikachu - Assuming this hasn't been cancelled this could show up in whatever hideous form it has taken. Pokemon - There are 3 ways Pokemon could go at this point; Pokemon 7, Pokemon Z, Pokemon Remake. It'll probably be at E3, or they could pull another 2014 and announce it on May 7th.
3DS - Atlus Etrian Odyssey Untold 2 - I'm sure this will be there just not in the presentation. Legend Of Legacy - I'm sure this will be there, Nintendo gave it a big push in Japan and I assume the same will happen here. Stella Glow - Not exactly main show material but you never know. Etrian Odyssey 5 - Too soon.
3DS - Bandai Namco Project X Zone 2 - This will certainly show up in some capacity since it comes out so soon. Dragon Ball Z: Extreme Butouden - Maybe? Who knows.
3DS - Square Enix Final Fantasy Explorers - Considering how well MH4U did in the west it may come over, especially since it has the Final Fantasy name attached. Bravely Default 2 - The first did well so I assume the second will come over in 2016. Dragon Quest 7 - Nope.
3DS - Level 5 Yokai Watch - This will show up without a doubt considering it's being published by Nintendo and coming early 2016. Snack World - I don't really see this leaving Japan to be honest.
3DS - Capcom Monster Hunter Stories - We'll probably get a trailer on May 31st but not at E3. The Great Ace Attorney - I really hope this gets localised but may faith is dwindling, Plz Capcom!
3DS - Koei Tecmo Atelier Rorona Plus - I imagine James would have fun reviewing this.
3DS - Others Zero Escape 3 - This will most likely be announced at E3 since it has been teased heavily and sold better in the west. Langrisser - So niche it'll probably never come, but we'll see. Lord of Magna - We know it's coming but not exactly E3 material. Corpse Party 3DS - XSeed will most likely bring this over.
Wii U - Nintendo Xenoblade X - This game will be released on the 20th November 2015, it is Nintendo's biggest game this year and needs prime time if they want to recoup costs. Mario Maker - Will be released September, playable but not show. Yoshi's Woolly World - Absent, nothing to show or tell any more. Star Fox - Miyamoto's glorious return to form. December 2015. Retro Studio's New Project - Way too soon, maybe teased but won't be shown. Next Level's New Project - This studio has been too silent for too long, whatever they are working on it's big, announced at E3 released 1st half 2016. Devil's Third - Itagaki said the game is finished so it'll certainly show up. Animal Crossing Wii U - Probably in development to be released 27th May 2016 Zelda Wii U - Absent, the more they show this year the less they can show next year. Release 18th November 2016.
Wii U -Atlus Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem - This will certainly be at E3, new trailer and treehouse demo. November for Japan, sometime in late 2016 for the west.
Wii U - Bandai Namco Project Treasure - A very intriguing game, It must be funded by Nintendo and probably release 2016. Pokken - Will be announced and released in 2016 I think, too early for a console port.
Wii U - Square Enix Dragon Quest 10 - Nope, not even anything on the virtual console outside of Japan.
Wii U - Level 5 Nothing
Wii U - Capcom Monster Hunter 4UU - They sent out a survey gauging interest in a Wii U version but I doubt anything will come of it.
Wii U - Koei Tecmo Fatal Frame 5 - People seem to have forgotten this but there is going to be a western fatal frame movie by the Resident Evil director. The movie and game will most likely be out in September 2015.
Wii U - Other Rodea the Sky Soldier - Out in September by Yuji Naka and Prope. Hopefully Nintendo put some advertising behind it and don't just sent it out to die. Tantalus's Wii U Project - No idea. Fast Racing Neo - Confirmed for E3 Guitar Hero Live - Will probably be mentioned once. Lego Games - **** tons of lego games as far as the eye can see.
That's about it, but I am also interested in the account system DeNa is setting up. Hopefully there is a reward program similar to digital deluxe where the more games you buy the cheaper the games become.
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Post by: Khushrenada on May 03, 2015, 02:04:33 PM
Zero Escape 3 - This will most likely be announced at E3 since it has been teased heavily and sold better in the west.
What? Since when did this happen? Last I heard, this game was not in development. "Due to the low popularity of the Zero Escape series in Japan, as well as budget and financial matters, the game is currently put on hold." When did that change and teases start to happen?
Overall, a pretty solid and realistic list. Not a whole lot I'm that interested in but on the 3DS side, I'd go for Rhythm Heaven, Mother 3D, Fire Emblem, and the Great Ace Attorney. I could be tempted to pick up Pikachu Detective depending on how that game turns out. I've yet to buy or try Bravely Default but it's still on my interest list and if I do get around to it, then I'd probably want the sequel. On the Wii U side, Yoshi's Woolly World, Star Fox and Xenoblade are all games I'm interested in. Sure I'm interested in Zelda or Retro's Next Project but I doubt they will be released in the year from E3 so I'm just sticking with titles that have the chance to come out in that time period. Other than that, I should probably look up some more info on Rodeo to see more what it is about but it is the only other title there that grabs my interest. I wish we were getting Rock Band for Wii U instead of Guitar Hero. I'll continue to hold out hope.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on May 03, 2015, 03:44:17 PM
Yes, it is true that in February 2014 Zero Escape director Kotaro Uchikoshi announced that the series would not continue due to poor sales. However during an interview with 4gamer in December 2014 he said that "It's looking like 2015 will be the year where everything I've built towards over the years will come together and be let out into the world in one fell swoop". And then in February 2015 he updated his Facebook profile to working on "You-know-what" and has since deleted it. The most conclusive evidence though is the teaser site http://4infinity.co/ it gets updated regularly and is acknowledged by the director on twitter. Another thing to note is that Nintendo now owns shares in Dwango, the owner of Spike Chunsoft, so this may have something to do with the project being un-cancelled, although that is a bit of a stretch.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 03, 2015, 04:15:01 PM
Might as well not even have Wii U at E3.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 03, 2015, 04:34:57 PM
The countdown on that 4infinity clock runs out at Anime Expo, not E3.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 03, 2015, 04:49:53 PM
It's been two years since Mario 3D World, so that team at EAD Tokyo may have something to show unless they're holding that back for the next system.
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Post by: lolmonade on May 03, 2015, 05:36:30 PM
I can't begin to guess what Nintendo will present at E3, which is great. I have low expectations, which means it'll be really hard for me to be disappointed this year from their presentation. The only thing I truly expect is a heavy emphasis on Amiibo integration for their upcoming games, which will be a minor disappointment if true, but not enough to sour me if they've got some good unexpected game announcements.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 03, 2015, 11:41:10 PM
It's been two years since Mario 3D World, so that team at EAD Tokyo may have something to show unless they're holding that back for the next system.
I think Miyamoto said in an interview that the 3D Mario team won't have another mainline game out until the next generation. That said, they seem to have enough manpower to keep smaller-scale side projects cooking. Along the lines of keeping the WiiU on life support for at least the next year and a half, I wouldn't be shocked to see a Luigi 3D World challenge expansion to parallel NSMBU, though you wouldn't have the new controls gimmick. If they built DLC hooks into NSMBU, can't see why they wouldn't leave that option open for 3D World, though Captain Toad might have superseded that option.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 03, 2015, 11:54:56 PM
crazy fantasy prediction: NX will be similar to the wii u controller, yet standalone, you'll be able to buy it and it will be compatible with Wii U and Xbox One, and Nintendo bought the Xbox division. Banjo Kazooie will be in smash bros. dlc/ mario kart. Retro will finally show the new metroid they've been working on for 5 years, it will be on wii u and xbox one. Shadow of the Eternals will re-emerge as Eternal Darkness 2: Shadows of the Eternals.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 04, 2015, 12:31:50 AM
It's been two years since Mario 3D World, so that team at EAD Tokyo may have something to show unless they're holding that back for the next system.
I think Miyamoto said in an interview that the 3D Mario team won't have another mainline game out until the next generation. That said, they seem to have enough manpower to keep smaller-scale side projects cooking. Along the lines of keeping the WiiU on life support for at least the next year and a half, I wouldn't be shocked to see a Luigi 3D World challenge expansion to parallel NSMBU, though you wouldn't have the new controls gimmick. If they built DLC hooks into NSMBU, can't see why they wouldn't leave that option open for 3D World, though Captain Toad might have superseded that option.
With the way the Wii U is designed I don't think games have to specifically have hooks for DLC built in. Games are patchable at the system level, so they could probably decide after the fact that they wanted to do that. And a faster, harder level pack for 3D World sounds pretty good to me.
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Post by: UncleBob on May 04, 2015, 01:52:25 AM
NOT. ENOUGH. AMIIBO. C'MON! WE'RE TRYING TO PREDICT E3!!! NOT THE NEXT NINTENDO DIRECT! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Post by: Evan_B on May 04, 2015, 07:58:17 AM
Whoa whoa whoa. What is this third party predictions nonsense? And a Metroid game? Come on, the tread title is "REEL IN" those expectations, people. Stop kidding yourselves!
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Post by: Triforce Hermit on May 04, 2015, 08:24:42 AM
A remake of a Metroid game?
Super Metroid on the 3DS?
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2015, 01:42:11 PM
The problem with Metroid is, since it's a series that's a lot more popular in the west, despite the efforts of Other M to raise its profile in Japan, I'd think if hey we're going to make a new one they'd probably want to do it on a console, and if they were doing that I think they might want to hold off for the next one.
It doesn't really matter for Metroid since it's aimed at the more hardcore Nintendo fans who either already own a Wii U for Smash Bros, or would buy one for Metroid anyway. Unless they completely revamp the franchise, it's never going to have mass appeal so it doesn't gain much being saved for a new console plus releasing a traditional Metroid of some kind would be a smart decision to help please all the core Nintendo fans who've been buying and own a Wii U.
After Other M I personally wouldn't take a risk at buying a new console for a new Metroid because for all I know the next game will be just as bad. So I guess in that sense I agree that saving it for the NX isn't the right move. But I don't think the Wii U fits either because it hasn't sold well enough. The 3DS is probably the safer choice. Also they could get away with something a little less ambitious on the 3DS to ease back into the series. An HD game carries higher expectations. Also there is a higher cost. A Metroid on the Wii U will cost more money to make and Nintendo may want to take such a risk with a series that isn't popular in Japan on a console that hasn't sold well.
Whatever they do though at this point Metroid is damaged goods and should not be considered a potential system seller. Not unless the series bounces back first.
Not that I expect to see Metroid at E3 though.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 04, 2015, 02:04:39 PM
I think a Metroid game, provided it's well-received, could sell some people Wii Us. Not on its own, but as another thing to pile on top of Smash Bros., Mario, and all the other big Nintendo games already there. There's an audience of dedicated gamers who could be talked into buying a Wii U if the lineup gets good enough, and Metroid really resonates with that audience.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 04, 2015, 02:27:17 PM
After Other M I personally wouldn't take a risk at buying a new console for a new Metroid because for all I know the next game will be just as bad. So I guess in that sense I agree that saving it for the NX isn't the right move. But I don't think the Wii U fits either because it hasn't sold well enough. The 3DS is probably the safer choice. Also they could get away with something a little less ambitious on the 3DS to ease back into the series. An HD game carries higher expectations. Also there is a higher cost. A Metroid on the Wii U will cost more money to make and Nintendo may want to take such a risk with a series that isn't popular in Japan on a console that hasn't sold well.
Whatever they do though at this point Metroid is damaged goods and should not be considered a potential system seller. Not unless the series bounces back first.
All Other M did was destroy the potential for another 3rd person story driven Metroid like it, not the whole franchise. 2D and first person Prime style Metriod are still loved by the fanbase and would both be a major reveal if Nintendo announced them.
People have to remember we're getting a new Star Fox on the Wii U for fucks sake. Metroid was the more popular franchise after its revival with Prime and continued that way. Even Other M which is considered the low point of the franchise still sold better and received higher reviews then Command which was the low point of the Star Fox franchise.
If Nintendo thinks it's worth it to give the Wii U a new Star Fox, then Metroid has just as good a chance of getting a new game as well.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2015, 02:29:48 PM
I think a Metroid game, provided it's well-received, could sell some people Wii Us. Not on its own, but as another thing to pile on top of Smash Bros., Mario, and all the other big Nintendo games already there. There's an audience of dedicated gamers who could be talked into buying a Wii U if the lineup gets good enough, and Metroid really resonates with that audience.
I think it needs to be very well received. Like every reviewer proclaiming that "Metroid is back!" and 90%+ average review scores.
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Post by: Triforce Hermit on May 04, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
From Metacritic:
Metroid Prime- 97% Metroid Prime 2- 92% Metroid Prime 3- 90% Metroid Zero Mission- 89% Metroid Fusion- 92%
Metroid Other M- 79%
An average of 90% wouldn't be that hard to get. They just have to avoid fucking up.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2015, 05:03:33 PM
If Other M wasn't made by the series' original creator I would be less concerned. Nintendo has to essential tell the guy "hey I know you're a big part of the reason this series is successful in the first place but you've gone crazy so we're taking your baby away from you". Will they do that? That's why I feel the series is at stake. This isn't a misstep from a new team, this is the "proper" people you would expect to do it right. Sakamoto thinks Samus is like a helpless housewife out of a 1950's TV commercial. Hard for the series to continue at the level it was if that depiction remains and why wouldn't it if Sakamoto is still involved?
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Post by: Khushrenada on May 04, 2015, 05:09:01 PM
If Other M wasn't made by the series' original creator I would be less concerned. Nintendo has to essential tell the guy "hey I know you're a big part of the reason this series is successful in the first place but you've gone crazy so we're taking your baby away from you". Will they do that? That's why I feel the series is at stake. This isn't a misstep from a new team, this is the "proper" people you would expect to do it right. Sakamoto thinks Samus is like a helpless housewife out of a 1950's TV commercial. Hard for the series to continue at the level it was if that depiction remains and why wouldn't it if Sakamoto is still involved?
And none of this has anything to do with a new Retro made Metroid which is what is likely to happen. Especially since Kensuke Tanabe is the guy who's in charge of the Retro made Metroid games and all of his games involve Samus as nothing more then a silent avatar to the player anyway.
Of course even if Sakamoto was involved, once again Other M was just one game. By this logic, Koizumi shouldn't have been allowed to make Mario Galaxy after Sunshine since there were some people who thought Mario Sunshine was a terrible franchise killing game at the time as well. I guess Galaxy was a total continuation of what Sunshine started since both games were made by the same guy right. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
I know, right? It wasn't perfect, but generally, the third person gameplay parts were solid. It isn't even my least favorite Metroid game. I missed the boat on the original due to being two years old when it was released, and I just don't enjoy it.
Anyway, in a vain attempt to address the actual point of this thread, here are my predicitions
1. No Retro Studios game. I'm guessing Nintendo never intended for the team to work on another Wii U game. Retro Studios is working on an NX launch title and we won't hear about it until E3 2016.
2. Mario Maker will be Nintendo major E3 title, and sadly, it will be Nintendo's major holiday title due to the lack of any real options.
3. Super Mario 3D World 2 will be shown for release next year. It's essentially just new stages featuring the original's engine.
4. Star Fox Wii U will be a $40 game.
5. Super Smash Bros. DLC: Wolf and Fire Emblem Roy announced, Ryu gets a newcomer trailer, and there will be retro stage packs.
6. A very late port of Resident Evil Revelaitons 2 will be announced for Wii U. No one will care.
7. Denis Dyack will say that Shadow of the Eternals is still being developed. Everyone will laugh.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 04, 2015, 07:46:16 PM
Games will be shown.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 04, 2015, 08:16:55 PM
Sega will have a better presence than last year.
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Post by: Evan_B on May 05, 2015, 12:11:40 AM
Yeah, I can't imagine Retro is working on a title for Wii U, but that drives home why I was initially and still am disappointed with Tropical Freeze- knowing that will probably be Retro's only Wii U title is upsetting.
Anywho. Metroid ain't happening, at least, not on Wii U. The best hope we have is a 3DS title, as it's the most viable audience. I think Nintendo's lack of any information regarding E3 this year is a telling sign that we should expect as little new information from them as possible. It's unfotunate that they blew their load last year.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2015, 01:45:50 PM
3. Super Mario 3D World 2 will be shown for release next year. It's essentially just new stages featuring the original's engine.
Don't know if we'll see it but while I'm not usually a big fan of cookie-cutter sequels that's not a bad idea for Nintendo to do. With the Wii U it's really just a matter now of treading water until the NX comes out. Nothing is going to save it and there isn't the time to do something really fancy so cookie-cutter sequels to existing Wii U games would be easy and quick to make and at least keeps things going. New Wii U games at this point are really just for existing Wii U users anyway so they can be a little more derivative.
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Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2015, 03:22:50 PM
Based on comments by (I think) Miyamoto a few months ago, this seems to be the direction Nintendo is going. Wii U needs games, the quicker the turn around the better. I don't mind a cookie-cutter release as long as it isn't treated a more than that. As a $40 gap title in February or March while the team works of a true sequel, sure.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 05, 2015, 10:12:42 PM
You guys are way off. Nintendo is behind the times. So, what will they show? Get ready for E3 2013 flash backs as they show off a slew of TV and movie spin-offs starting with Mario Kart: The Movie starring Vin Diesel as Donkey Kong.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 06, 2015, 12:09:15 AM
You guys are way off. Nintendo is behind the times. So, what will they show? Get ready for E3 2013 flash backs as they show off a slew of TV and movie spin-offs starting with Mario Kart: The Movie starring Vin Diesel as Donkey Kong.
I would watch that movie.
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Post by: Soren on May 06, 2015, 12:14:14 AM
This is finally the year we get an Ice Climbers reboot.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 06, 2015, 01:18:55 AM
Here's a prediction: HD remakes.
Here's a prediction: AAA publishers will produce less than half the titles they published at this time last generation.
Here's a prediction: Geoff Keighley and Reggie will have a sparring interview.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 06, 2015, 05:50:53 PM
At least 2 new games built on existing engines.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 07, 2015, 01:45:30 AM
My turn...More Mario Kart DLC: New character: Squidling racer. New Splatoon track and weapon. Paint gun, acts like the squid ink when it hits a character, but can also make an paint splat that can make characters slip. It can be shot backwards and forwards.
The DLC will include 2 classic tracks, Squidling character and 2 new splatoon tracks.
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Post by: Soren on May 07, 2015, 10:57:05 AM
From Nintendo's financials...
(http://i.imgur.com/riAXyy8.png)
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Post by: alegoicoe on May 07, 2015, 02:24:54 PM
Nintendo will release Mario Maker :cool;
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Post by: Mop it up on May 12, 2015, 08:00:04 PM
Here's something no one has predicted yet: A new Mario and Sonic Olympics game. With the summer Olympics next year, it would be keeping with the release schedule of past games to release it this holiday, so it could be announced at E3.
I guess no one predicted it because no one wants it...
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Post by: Phil on May 12, 2015, 08:16:25 PM
I want it! Loved the games on the Wii (save for the very first one) and the Wii U game had a really cool unlockable system for gear, music, and more. Plus the events were done well.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 13, 2015, 01:26:10 AM
So... no NX, no Zelda, no QOL, no mobile games from Nintendo at this E3.
E3 is doomed.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 13, 2015, 01:38:20 AM
We already knew Zelda wasn't going to be there and NX was being unveiled next year, and the lack of the latter two seems like a good thing, as they wouldn't really fit right in this setting.
Personally I'm excited just to get a good look at Star Fox, and anything else is a bonus.
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Post by: Soren on May 13, 2015, 01:44:32 PM
It's all about the games! Except Zelda and games that don't use face buttons.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on May 15, 2015, 02:49:07 PM
Awesome! Square Enix moved their conference so that it doesn't clash. I am now most looking forward to watching Xenoblade/ SMTXFE and Deus Ex/Just Cause live rather than after the fact.
My prediction for today is that the account system will not show up at E3 since Iwata has hinted at such. Although even when the system does come out you will still have to pay for Super Mario Brothers again on the NX.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 15, 2015, 10:23:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LlEF1rg.gif)
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 17, 2015, 04:53:41 PM
I'm starting to get the feeling that Zelda "will" be there in spite what Nintendo has said. Something tells me the winds are blowing in a new direction. Unless what ever new announced game are also open world type games then yeah Zelda will be there.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on May 17, 2015, 06:34:43 PM
I'm starting to get the feeling that Zelda "will" be there in spite what Nintendo has said. Something tells me the winds are blowing in a new direction. Unless what ever new announced game are also open world type games then yeah Zelda will be there.
I think the methodology behind Zelda is that they don't want to overshadow their other announcements with a game that won't be out for another year and a half. A good conference is like a fruit smoothie, say Star Fox is a kiwi, Animal Crossing is a peach and Metroid is a mango. Whereas Zelda (in the eyes of the media and in terms of general mind share) is a watermelon, yes you now have more fruit but the component sum of it's parts are now smaller by comparison.
In 2016 Wii U development will be winding down so there will be naturally less Wii U software with them moving onto the NX or even the hypothetical MX, so why not save your big watermelon blowout for when times are tough and you need it most? For example does anyone remember which games/features were announced during the 2014 games awards?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2015, 09:42:43 PM
I'm not gonna lie the E3 video was pretty cool.
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Post by: Adrock on May 18, 2015, 12:47:59 AM
I'm starting to get the feeling that Zelda "will" be there in spite what Nintendo has said. Something tells me the winds are blowing in a new direction. Unless what ever new announced game are also open world type games then yeah Zelda will be there.
This could be one of those instances when Nintendo says a game won't be at E3 then it's shown at an after-hours press event/developers roundtable. (http://i.imgur.com/eKrERAq.png) I'd still rather not see the game until Nintendo is ready to release it.
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Post by: Evan_B on May 18, 2015, 12:52:36 AM
I'm going to slightly alter my predictions.
On the Wii U side, I think Intelligent Systems will be putting out a Paper Mario title early 2016, which moves Animal Crossing to a mid/summer 2016 release, which is a good time for that game. It will get a bit of coverage and hopefully will be a return-to-form.
Likewise, I also think Nintendo will drop a big in-house title for 3DS as well as a big localization for this holiday- something more recognizable and polished than last year's Fantasy Life. The in-house might be some Pokemon (I know Game Freak isn't in house, but yeah), and since they're running out of IP to release we might see a very obscure franchise like Metoid show up. But it will more than likely be something else.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 18, 2015, 01:19:40 AM
Is Eternal Darkness an IP owned by Nintendo or is it some grey area to that? Its really about time for a sequel and not some HD retread either.
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Post by: Adrock on May 18, 2015, 01:25:37 AM
I'm pretty sure Nintendo owns Eternal Darkness.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 18, 2015, 01:35:07 AM
They must, or else Silicon Knights would have used the name in their Kickstarter.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 18, 2015, 10:12:54 AM
As for Zelda, I'm pretty certain they ain't joking about that no-show. I'm starting to suspect that the art style might be getting a total overhaul; otherwise it's hard to fathom the timeline of the reveal and delay if it's simply for some new gameplay hook.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Something inside of me says an HD remake of Super Mario Sunshine is happening, but I'm not sure if that's just the booze.
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Post by: Phil on May 18, 2015, 06:08:01 PM
An HD remake of Super Mario Sunshine would have to be a lot more than just a prettier version to make me enjoy it. A lot of bone-headed, abhorrent design decisions in that game.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2015, 06:16:06 PM
Right, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo fixed some of those things, especially the Yoshi bits.
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Post by: Phil on May 18, 2015, 06:23:59 PM
Yeah, me too!
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 18, 2015, 06:52:22 PM
An HD remake of Super Mari 64 is all I need. Add in the few new bonus levels from the DS game, and the different characters, and finally one or more bonus levels, and you have a perfect game.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2015, 09:31:06 PM
I'm thinking Nintendo will either announce the GC VC or more HD remakes. I guess it would depend on if HD remakes are more lucrative than VC ports based on sales vs required effort.
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 18, 2015, 11:50:07 PM
Nintendo continues to "extend" the trademark rights for Eternal Darkness but it's well past the 5 year mark so you can file for abandonment forcing Nintendo to either use the mark or give up the claim. Of course Nintendo could just re-release the game to VC or something making it viable again.
Personally I not sure why Nintendo just didn't give up the rights back to SK since they haven't showed any interest in the IP in over 10 years now?
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 19, 2015, 12:02:32 AM
"A document from The United States Patent and Trademark Office has emerged which reveals that Nintendo have been given six months in which to file a statement of use of the Eternal Darkness trademark or risk losing it. They may file for extensions a total of five times, giving them a total of thirty six months to use the Eternal Darkness trademark or they will forfeit it."
Nintendo extended it again in Dec 2014, so it has another 3 or 4 times it can extend--so by July 2017 if not sooner.
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Post by: Soren on May 19, 2015, 12:16:10 AM
Nintendo continues to "extend" the trademark rights for Eternal Darkness but it's well past the 5 year mark so you can file for abandonment forcing Nintendo to either use the mark or give up the claim. Of course Nintendo could just re-release the game to VC or something making it viable again.
Personally I not sure why Nintendo just didn't give up the rights back to SK since they haven't showed any interest in the IP in over 10 years now?
If it were that easy, someone would have done it by now. Good luck proving that Nintendo "intends not to resume use" of the ED trademark.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 19, 2015, 02:14:17 PM
Saying that Zelda was not going to be at E3 did not go over well. It was a bad news and bad PR. Why would Nintendo LIE about something like that? It makes no sense. They gain nothing from it.
Zelda will not be there at all in any way. I figure something has fundamentally changed about it and it either is in too broken of a state to show or showing it will reveal something prematurely. Nintendo would not contribute to general "Nintendo is doomed" feelings that can cost them sales to if they didn't have to. They would show Zelda at E3 if they could and they would not say it won't be there if they intended it to be there. It will 100% not be at E3 or any event that occurs during the same time as E3.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 19, 2015, 02:33:41 PM
Not saying they lied, as in they attempted to deceive us. I'm saying they changed their minds and it will be shown in some capacity. Much like they changed their minds after the Game Awards 3 months later.
Thats all.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on May 24, 2015, 04:13:37 PM
I don't really necessarily want much from E3, most of my dream games either have already been made or in the process of being made. However I hope that Nintendo teams up with GANBARION again to produce another original action-rpg for either 3ds or wii u. I just finished Pandora's Tower on virtual console and it is truly a masterpiece (if you'll pardon the pun). It is difficult to describe why it clicked with me without writing an essay, but what I can say is that in my opinion it succeeds where Metroid Prime fails in terms of world building. It beats Zelda any day of the week in terms of combat and 3rd person RPG elements. In terms of story while it's certainly not Xenoblade Chronicles, it is in the top percentage of Nintendo games (or at least co-developed games) where the developers actually tried to create a compelling story. Compared to your average Mario/Metroid/Zelda which have none existent plot for 95% of the game, not that there's anything wrong with that but it's a nice change of pace for once. So yeah, just do that again but not a direct sequel pls.
Wii Fit U was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.... probably... I wouldn't know.
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Post by: Evan_B on May 24, 2015, 11:54:23 PM
I would actually very much enjoy a Pandora's Tower sequel.
I think it's a very good game with a lot of elements that click well, but it's definitely not a masterpiece. Especially not the North American version.
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Post by: Enner on June 04, 2015, 10:42:21 PM
How about a look back to E3 2014 predictions?
RFN Episode 384 - E3 2014 predictions PART 1:
Johnathan: Hyrule Warriors will keep its name. Zelda Wii U will show up (**** You, Koei Tecmo).
James: No Zelda Wii U presence, only Hyrule Warriors.
Johnathan: Will there be a lot of new game announcments?
Jon: More games to show than last year. James: Games shown E3 2013 to be shown again - Smash, Xenoblade X, Bayonetta 2, remergence of Yoshi's Wooly World. Operation plan to be reactionary to E3 2013; focus on games coming out in 2014.
Johnathan: A focus on Wii U GamePad games. Smash Wii U exclusive mode, some sort of single-player mode that revolves around the GamePad. Simpler than Sub Space Emissary, an extra mode.
NFC figurines - no interest. Johnathan: "Don't find it compelling. The whole thing smells bad. It remains to be seen if they are actually useful." Jon: "Wait and see. Nintendo's move controller." James: "They might be doing something different. A proof of concept. Relationship maintenance (with retailers). It's not for us."
----- RFN Episode 384 - E3 2014 predictions PART 2:
Jon: Metroid Wii U. First-person shooter. Stole Johnathan's prediction! A first-person shooter that's competitive with other shooters. Possibly contract it out. Jonathan: I would just like them to make a Metroid. Guillaume: Tomodachi FPS
A new family-friendly IP that is something along the line of WarioWare and Rhythm Heaven for 3DS or Wii U. Or a Rhythm Heaven for 3DS.
Jonathan: Metroid returns as a 3DS game made by Retro Studios. They will show a new 3DS game that comes out in 2014 (Code Name STEAM misses the mark). A tease for Metroid Prime U, coming in 2015.
James: Unannounced developer roundtable 3DS game might be an NCL game, a Miyamoto game. Jonathan: Miyamoto's back-to-the-trenches game is a Wii U game. It revolves a lot around the GamePad, possibly a 2nd GamePad. James: It makes more financial sense for Miyamoto's next game to be a 3DS game.
Guillaume: Pac Man VS. 2, now with two Pac Man. Also, Next Level Games is making a new Punch Out! for 3DS.
Guillaume: No big third-party stuff. Indies showcased. Last year we will see indie interest in the Wii U.
Jonathan: No or very few games on Nintendo systems outside of Nintendo's booth. Doubt on Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare getting a Wii U port.
James: I could see a Japanese third-party putting a Wii U game out.
Guillaume: A Super 3DS for the Wii U.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on June 04, 2015, 11:31:45 PM
I expect some impossible things this year. THE RETURN OF EA, 1 maybe 2 games from them.
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Post by: Soren on June 05, 2015, 12:17:14 AM
I expect some impossible things this year. THE RETURN OF EA, 1 maybe 2 games from them.
EA has been consistently releasing 1 game on Nintendo platforms...
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Post by: Evan_B on June 05, 2015, 12:33:03 AM
Man, that pastebin "leak" UncleBob posted in Neal's article was just sad. Not because it's content was stuff I would be excited with, but because most of it is listed as "2016" when Nintendo has promised a focus on 2015-early 2016 games.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 05, 2015, 07:01:57 AM
I expect some impossible things this year. THE RETURN OF EA, 1 maybe 2 games from them.
EA has been consistently releasing 1 game on Nintendo platforms...
FIFA isn't coming to handhelds or Wii this year.
Well maybe if a little BRIBERY took place, that would change, eh? eh?
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Post by: ThePerm on June 07, 2015, 06:23:47 PM
What if Zelda wiiU got changed into a new IP?
also, why did Nintendo bate us with so much Metroid Content this year?
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Post by: Evan_B on June 08, 2015, 12:42:19 AM
What Metroid content have they baited us with? The Metroid Prime trilogy was one example, but we STILL haven't got Zero Mission on NA eShop.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 08, 2015, 06:52:25 AM
Trilogy was so much content. Thats 3 games. Then I went and bought all the metroid games on the shop and rebought super metroid for the wii u menu.
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Post by: Evan_B on June 08, 2015, 11:31:04 AM
Three games in one package.
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Post by: Soren on June 09, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Add this to the rumor mill and/or possible wishful thinking: Platinum is going to unveil a new game on the 16th at 6pm.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 09, 2015, 05:40:16 PM
Ima win the contest.
But generally speaking, the 3DS mini dump and separate Smash conference leads me to believe Nintendo's got more up their sleeve than I was expecting. I'm guessing at least one major Wii U title most would assume they'd wait for the NX to iterate with that isn't Animal Crossing. This is also providing they weren't bullshitting about the Zelda no-show, which they'd be insane to have done.
Realistically they'll announce whatever the NX is at E3 2016 for a 2017 blowout and fall/winter launch. If it's a scaled hardware handheld combo thing, they could theoretically launch the handheld component fall/winter 2016. That leaves this year for a final push of Nintendo of yore, without mobile, quality of life, and whatever they're transitioning to with the NX. And there are rumors that it's a significant departure (see recent Android rumblings). Also Retro is fucking around on Twitter.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 09, 2015, 06:17:01 PM
If Retro is going to tease us on Twitter they better have a game to show. And if it's another DKC game there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on June 09, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
Retro are also getting a timely website redesign, coincidence? I think yes since they are notorious for putting nonsense on twitter/facebook, let's not forget how much they LOVE halloween!
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 09, 2015, 06:29:54 PM
And if it's another DKC game there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
I still remember when Tropical Freeze was revealed. Someone here went nuts with fury haha. It was hilarious. I think it might have been BroodWar? Many expletives were unleashed in Nintendo's and Retro's general directions.
But yeah, they better be doing something a bit more worthy of their time and abilities. DK is not that. Maybe they took over Zelda? :P
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 09, 2015, 06:46:15 PM
I mean come on now, this is just cruel if they've got nothing:
And if it's another DKC game there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
I still remember when Tropical Freeze was revealed. Someone here went nuts with fury haha. It was hilarious. I think it might have been BroodWar? Many expletives were unleashed in Nintendo's and Retro's general directions.
But yeah, they better be doing something a bit more worthy of their time and abilities. DK is not that. Maybe they took over Zelda? :P
The whole Retro DKC thing is a pretty good example of how out-of-touch Nintendo can be (and Retro themselves might be included in that). The Metroid Prime games get a "best game ever" kind of reputation. That very positive reputation is naturally transferred to Retro themselves. Metroid Prime is also a little different than other Nintendo properties. It has all the quality of a Nintendo game but it has a darker atmosphere and more challenging gameplay than the typical Mario fare. Nintendo has an "it" developer where fans are eagerly waiting for their first post-Metroid project... and they end up working on a 2D sidescroller when Nintendo themselves already are cranking out other games in the same genre.
You couldn't have pissed away all that goodwill that effectively if you tried to. I think it's the same mistake as Wind Waker's graphics - take something associated with Nintendo that people that think Nintendo is a little too family-focused like and make it more family-focused and more like the typical Nintendo fare so that they lose interest. Retro was (and possibly still is) a potential outlet for games that are as good as Nintendo's best work but have a different feel and style. DKC took away that outlet. Nope these guys that COULD do something different are going to make the same 2D platformer with cutesy characters that every other Nintendo team works on.
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Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2015, 08:07:40 PM
Nope these guys that COULD do something different are going to make the same 2D platformer with cutesy characters that every other Nintendo team works on.
That's terribly reductive.
In any case, I would like to see Retro Studios move on from Donkey Kong, just as it moved on from Metroid after Corruption. I wouldn't mind seeing the team go back to Metroid now, but I don't want it to make the same kind of game for too long. Three Metroid games in a row within a five year span was a bit much. Another Donkey Kong would feel much the same way. I think two is a good number. If Retro Studios makes a game then feels it can up the ante with a follow-up, go right ahead. Creators always have to deal with discarded or unrealized ideas so I won't be too hard on a developer that wants to have another go at it. Two is enough though. Revisit it after trying something else. Retro Studios limited output increases the desire for its games so I wouldn't want to see the team dwell on any one franchise for too long.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on June 09, 2015, 08:36:42 PM
Nintendo may be out of touch with the internet echo chamber but in terms of real life DKC was a good move considering it outsold Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Metroid Prime 3, Metroid Prime Trilogy and Metroid Other M combined.
I would like Retro to stop making sequels and move onto something new now that both Metroid and Donkey Kong have run their course. Maybe a game in the stealth genre? Apart from Twin Snakes with Silicon Knights I can't think of any other 1st party stealth games from Nintendo.
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Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2015, 09:20:06 PM
in terms of real life DKC was a good move considering it outsold Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Metroid Prime 3, Metroid Prime Trilogy and Metroid Other M combined.
That point has been brought up before. Metroid is my favorite series, but I won't bemoan Nintendo or Retro Studios for having another go at Donkey Kong because I understand the choice. It isn't like Returns failed and Nintendo decided to keep making Donkey Kong games until it succeeded. Nintendo can't please everyone. It can only try reach as many people as possible and hope for the best. It's an exhausting waste of time to try to appease those who will always find fault in everything you do.
Ultimately, I hope Monster Games inherits Donkey Kong. That frees up Retro Studios and leaves the series in capable hands. Hey, Nintendo can have its cake and eat it too.
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Post by: Evan_B on June 09, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
Well then, what franchise would you all like to see Retro do next? Keep in mind this is a studio that creates unique art assets for their titles, and that most of the team that made the Prime games what they were are gone.
That being said, if Retro did a 2D Metroid with the level of graphical polish that DCK has.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 10, 2015, 01:12:15 AM
Like I've said before, I wouldn't be surprised if Retro's new game is a 2D Metroid reuses the Tropical Freeze engine. Nintendo has talked about thinking of idea's for a new Metroid and Retro even said they could have made a Metroid instead of Tropical Freeze. Plus we're getting a new Star Fox this year and since Metroid was more popular then Star Fox since it's revival with Prime 1, I'd put my money on Retro's new game being a 2D Metroid.
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Post by: azeke on June 10, 2015, 01:15:49 AM
The amounts of speculation this studio receives each E3 is hilarious and sad.
They're not even in Top 10 of Nintendo studios. Especially by breadth of portfolio.
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Post by: Evan_B on June 10, 2015, 01:51:15 AM
I highly disagree with that, as the Prime Trilogy and Tropical Freeze are a few of the best Nintendo games in existence.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 10, 2015, 02:48:27 AM
I'm torn between 2d metroid and 3d metroid. Why not both? I don't have a 3ds, but i might buy one if there was a 3ds metroid. On the other hand I would buy that same game if they allowed 3ds games on virtual console for wii u. Oh and where is metroid prime hunters ds on VC? I will buy that if there. My Ds is the first model, and its battery is toast and lasts about an hour, and I never beat that game.
A prime metroid, well I want one of those too.
My guess is Retro will create a game inspired by dig dug about mr rosetti. You dig?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 10, 2015, 03:04:54 AM
The amounts of speculation this studio receives each E3 is hilarious and sad.
They're not even in Top 10 of Nintendo studios. Especially by breadth of portfolio.
Seriously? I'd peg them at #2, behind only Miyamoto's hand-picked team in EAD Tokyo.
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Post by: azeke on June 10, 2015, 04:13:26 AM
It's tiring to see people posting virtually the same year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year when more prolific and more talented teams keep releasing actual fricking games that you can play RIGHT now and get ignored.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL E3 2015 Predictions Thread: Reel in those expectations!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 10, 2015, 04:28:44 AM
More prolific, sure. More talented? I severely disagree. They've shown themselves to be immensely talented, which is why people are always anxious to see what they're doing next.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 10, 2015, 07:10:58 AM
Plus, they're the only major Western, Nintendo-owned studio for better or worse. A Western audience is going to care about what they're doing a fair bit.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 10, 2015, 07:30:36 AM
Yeah, it's not just their talent, but the specific skillset they possess (or at least did possess) is unique within Nintendo's stable. They've done things you wouldn't expect most other parts of Nintendo to be capable of.
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Post by: Evan_B on June 10, 2015, 11:16:50 AM
It's tiring to see people posting virtually the same year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year when more prolific and more talented teams keep releasing actual fricking games that you can play RIGHT now and get ignored.
Yeah, Intelligent Systems has been doing a great job bastardizing their beloved franchises and making Pushmo games, Alpha Dream is playing it safe, Monster is the Porting Monster, Good-Feel is being dominated by Wooly World...
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Post by: azeke on June 10, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
Is that supposed to be an insult towards them? I don't understand. Should i be feel-bad about it or something?
If you can only remember just four of these Nintendo studios, then you severely need to widen your tastes.
Retro to date one of the oldest studios Nintendo has, it's older than EAD Tokyo by half a decade. During these 17 years (eons in gaming industry) they created one first person adventure game all thanks to extreme hawkish tutelage from Miyamoto and then iterated on it two times. Then they did two 2d platformers.
Five games in 17 years.
In less time EAD Tokyo completely reimagined their own 3d Mario formula twice.
In less time SPD created entire series each with multiple iterations like WarioWare, Rhythm Heaven, and Tomodachi Life.
What i am going with is if you ONLY like these five games over literally hundreds of others that were released by other studios (Nintendo or not) i sincerely wish you would widen your horizons cause you're missing out on some amazing games.
By the way same to people whose every post is whining about Metroid. There are literally hundreds of games made specifically for YOU on every platform, even on Nintendo. You can play them right now. Or you can whine on forums and keep feeling bad about your nostalgia.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 10, 2015, 11:52:28 AM
What is your point, exactly? Why is it so terrible that they work at a slower pace than other studios?
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Post by: azeke on June 10, 2015, 11:53:45 AM
It's tiring to see people posting virtually the same year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year when more prolific and more talented teams keep releasing actual fricking games that you can play RIGHT now and get ignored.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL E3 2015 Predictions Thread: Reel in those expectations!
Post by: MagicCow64 on June 10, 2015, 01:22:18 PM
Well ****, wished I'd seen this before I did my contest predictions:
Yeah, it's not just their talent, but the specific skillset they possess (or at least did possess) is unique within Nintendo's stable. They've done things you wouldn't expect most other parts of Nintendo to be capable of.
YES! This is why they matter. They're unique but just as talented as Nintendo's other teams. Nintendo occasionally releases games like Goldeneye or Eternal Darkness or Metroid Prime that are different than their typical games but are just as good. Some of us like that variety but Nintendo (probably unintentionally) has a tendency of stamping out that uniqueness in favour of more of the same. Right now Xenoblade would be the big atypical Nintendo game but I'm wondering when Nintendo is going to sell Monolith or get them working on some Kirby game to piss all that away.
Nintendo makes that common business mistake where they notice that X sells the best so they figure EVERYTHING should be like X. The family-friendly games sell the best so make everything appeal to the Mario-Pokémon audience. The problem is that that lack of variety (made worse by the lack of third party support) basically chases away everyone that isn't that audience. They think they're making more money by making everything more similar to their best selling product but what they're actually doing is shrinking their potential audience. A dev like Retro has the potential to bring in a different audience thus increasing the customer base.
I'm torn between 2d metroid and 3d metroid. Why not both? I don't have a 3ds, but i might buy one if there was a 3ds metroid. On the other hand I would buy that same game if they allowed 3ds games on virtual console for wii u.
We had both. Remember when Metroid Prime and Fusion came out on the same day? My feeling if Retro worked on a 2D Metroid is that I would be happy that Metroid is back and in good hands but Nintendo's obsession with 2D gaming in 2015 is ridiculous. N64 games should not come across as more ambitious and advanced than Wii U games. I feel that Nintendo is abandoning much of progress they made with 3D gaming during the N64 and Cube years because they feel 2D is more accessible. I don't buy new consoles to dwell in the past. I want to see where Metroid can go in the future, not where it has already been. It just feels like a step backwards. I would interpret it to mean that 3D Metroid is gone for the foreseeable future. I feel both should co-exist as separate series but if they can only do one I feel that 3D allows more freedom for ambition and innovation.
Plus every damn indy dev in the world makes Super Metroid clones so we're not really starving for more games like that. Metroid should LEAD that genre, not follow.
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Post by: Evan_B on June 10, 2015, 02:28:06 PM
My post was merely stating that, clearly, very few Nintendo developers have been putting out good quality material as of late- less so if we're factoring in titles that are considered the "best-of-all-time".
EAD may have "re-invented" the 3D Mario formula but it took them two games to get it right- TWICE. They're a trial and error kind of dev. Anyway, I don't want to get into that argument.
The truth about Metroid is that it is rather unique even within its genre. Many games focus on melee or mid range combat while Metroid is a ranged game- and has a very charming aesthetic and design that many people enjoy. Atop that, many Metroid titles have been created by seasoned developers, and while there's plenty of indies trying to strike gold with the Metroid formula, many are just cheap imitations.
Retro also has excellent art design in their games, something that has taken a bit of a blow with the recent sterilization of a number of Nintendo franchises.
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Post by: azeke on June 10, 2015, 03:38:35 PM
The truth about Metroid is that it is rather unique even within its genre. Many games focus on melee or mid range combat while Metroid is a ranged game- and has a very charming aesthetic and design that many people enjoy.
Just last month ALONE we had 2 metroidvania titles that are specifically about shooting over melee.
Retro also has excellent art design in their games, something that has taken a bit of a blow with the recent sterilization of a number of Nintendo franchises.
You just keep proving you don't actually play a lot of games. In just last year Nintendo released number of games in debilitating variety of art styles from comicbook style to claymation, from gothic art deco to CG cartoon.
Not even that but you directly contradict yourself -- remember when you tried to imply that Yoshi's Wooly World is something bad?
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Post by: Mop it up on June 10, 2015, 06:36:54 PM
I agree that Retro are overhyped, though it isn't exactly undeserved since the few games they have put out have been top-notch. I think they just get so much attention because they're able to make games with a different flair than Nintendo, so people really want to see them do something new or unique.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 10, 2015, 07:25:43 PM
For those of you who are complaining about the wealth of 2D games, those are the easiest types of games to make, which is why so many smaller developers excel at them. The formula has been tried and tested for decades, and it's the simplicity of 2D gameplay that makes it so appealing. No worrying about maneuvering a camera or targeting an enemy in 3D space, 2D games are all about moving left to right on a flat plane.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 10, 2015, 07:29:47 PM
As for games I'm excited about at E3...
Mario Maker Uncharted Collection Yoshi's Wooly World Xenoblade Chronicles X Ratchet & Clank Reboot Batman: Arkham Knight Kingdom Hearts 3 (my fiance loves the series)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL E3 2015 Predictions Thread: Reel in those expectations!
Post by: Wah on June 10, 2015, 08:37:31 PM
I want Halo 5, Half-life 3, fire emblem and pokemans, oh and throw in a new F*CKIN METRIOD GAME NINTENDO!
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Post by: Evan_B on June 11, 2015, 01:15:46 AM
Okay, no need to get so personal with how many games I have played or not. The Mario franchise, including kart, party, RPG, 3D and 2D haven't had unique graphical design as of late, and I'd argue that Kirby's art style is marred by its control scheme. Even yarn is being rehashed. Even though I clearly stated my reasoning behind mentioning how all the development studios have been occupied as of late which you ignored, I'm going to say that a Wooly World is not a good thing. It looks like a Yoshi game with a yarn aesthetic and no Baby Mario, and is yet another 2D platformer which, as has been mentioned before, is the easy and reliable genre to focus on but has been in development for a while and doesn't seem to be offering much unique content.
I also said that independent Metroidvanias are usually unpolished, another comment you ignored. But I guess it all boils down to this- Metroid is a beloved franchise, Axiom Verge and Ori and th Blind Forest are not. They satisfy the gameplay aspects but not the aesthetic and individual nature. The same can be said for the F-Zero DLC- it's not the same as an F-Zero game, which is another series that people want to see.
Yes, plenty of people make games, and they make thm to be like other games. But as consumers, we have the right to be disappointed that some of our favorite franchises aren't being represented because that sways us on a purchase. It's like telling someone to watch Iron Man when they want a new Batman film made.
