Post by: Bill Aurion on June 27, 2006, 08:19:27 PM
KnowsNothing was getting antsy. He knew Infernal Monkey was starting to suspect that he was in fact Crazy Redd, so he had to end his life fast. After the vote against Crash, he began to follow Infernal. However, Infernal didn't head home, but instead downs towards the beach. Infernal then took out his slingshot and began shooting it at the sky. He did this for a few seconds before he suddenly stopped and turned in KnowsNothing's direction. "Hey, there...I was getting excited at the possibility of a stalker, but you really aren't much of a looker..." Not saying a word, KnowsNothing dashed forward and drove a dagger straight into Infernal's gut. "Well, that wasn't very nice of you," said Infernal in his same dry tone. KnowsNothing was shocked at Infernal's expressionless face. "Before I go, I guess I should cast judgement on you, too..." Infernal's body then disintegrated, the spirit of Death rising from the ashes. As KnowsNothing gazed on in utter disbelief, he noticed Death pointing down. KnowsNothing looked down at the ground to see a target painted on the ground. "What the? Was that there before?" He scratched his head for a few seconds before hearing a faint whirring sound. As it got louder, he realized the danger he was in. However, he was unable to avoid being crushed by the falling UFO...
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Khushrenada had been following his boss when he witnessed his extraterrestrial death. Realizing he was the last one alive, he decided to finish off the remaining townfolk and move on to another town. It didn't take long for him to find Athrun Zala. As Khushrenada stalked behind her, he stumbled on a rock. "Augh! Stupid ****ing rock!" Athrun, hearing the commotion behind her, made a mad dash for the Town Hall. Khushrenada recovered from his injury and took off right behind her. Inside, she ran crying to Mayor Aurion. "Mayor, Mayor, a fox is chasing after me! Help!" Khushrenada then burst in panting, his right foot already beginning to swell up. "Oh, ho, ho...Yeah, I'm a fox, but what are you gonna do about it? Us foxes have this town taken over now!" Mayor Aurion got up out of his chair, Mint cowering in fear behind him. "Ah, it seems you two are all that's left of this town...Can I ask a question?" Khushrenada brandished his axe menacingly. "Sure, it might be good for a few laughs before I kill the two of you." Mayor Aurion looked him straight in the eye. "Did you ever find the Bomber's Apprentice?" Khushrenada was taken aback by such an odd question. "Pah! He obviously doesn't exist considering the last ones here are a whore and a wimpy Mayor!" Mayor Aurion then proceeded to pull off the bandages that wrapped around his face. Athrun saw Khushrenada's look of fear, and moved from behind the chair to get a better look. Standing before her was the figure of a penguin. Mayor Aurion, seeing their gaping mouths, chuckled. "Didn't expect this, eh? Well, this has been great fun. Perhaps we can play again in another life..." He pulled his pipe out, flipping it open to reveal a large, red button. Before Khushrenada and Athrun could react, he pressed it.
"Game Over..." Mayor Aurion gave one last innocent smile and Beanerville disappeared off the map forever...
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 27, 2006, 08:50:07 PM
Post by: 18 Days on June 27, 2006, 08:51:59 PM
YOU WERE PLAYING US ALL ALONG!
Post by: ShyGuy on June 27, 2006, 09:15:08 PM
Post by: Pale on June 28, 2006, 04:04:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
It's because I'm trying to tell everyone I am in fact a townie...
The funny thing about being a townie is, you know that whoever votes for you is a potential mafia member, as they would never vote for one of their own.
KN can go later, but I think Khush should go now.
All I can say is, I was a little slow, but I had the mafia figured out. You all should have listened.
Post by: Dasmos on June 28, 2006, 04:16:55 AM
Post by: nickmitch on June 28, 2006, 04:57:44 AM
Post by: Pale on June 28, 2006, 04:58:41 AM
The guy I tried to vote for two days in a row...
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on June 28, 2006, 05:06:30 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 28, 2006, 05:49:46 AM
I also knew Athrun was the BA, but Khush suggested he be the backup, and I didn't see the harm. I figured it wouldn't really matter since I got Infernal, I had no idea I would make BOTH hits ;____;
And yeah, everything I said in the threads was pretty much a lie
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 28, 2006, 07:12:13 AM
If you were the last Fox, Death wouldn't have died...It was because Khush still existed that you even got that kill on him...
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 28, 2006, 07:13:18 AM
Alright, you win this time! Your story was misleading >=O The Aussies need some sort of handicap, they're a day ahead of everyone! ROAR.
Whatever, The Foxes didn't do too bad after all, I thought we were going to die pretty fast. Especially when Matt and TVMan both got killed off by the bomber (which was their own stupidity >=u), I thought we were gone for sure. Then Pale sorta knew who we were, but it didn't do much harm
Oh yeah, gotta thank Mint for saving Khush too. That was pretty cool
Post by: Pale on June 28, 2006, 07:38:01 AM
In the beginning my plan was to vote for whoever voted for me or otherwise implicated me...
I had a point system going, if you had the most points, I voted for you.
This obviously failed in the beginning as you know. Sorry.
Towards the end I used my point thing as a guide but changed it up. Khush avoided any points for almost the whole game, but I couldn't let him get away with it when it became obvious he was mafia. When I made that post about KN going later, KN was actually on the top of my point thing, but I wanted Khush gone.
And as I said during the game, I was just trying to make the game more interesting for myself by being so, uhm, obnoxious in the voting.. It's all I could do every day without a role.
Post by: stevey on June 28, 2006, 08:54:16 AM
Everyone dies 2
Mafia win 1
Townie win 1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 28, 2006, 09:03:51 AM
Quotestevey this is mafia 6, your count only goes up to 4 (2+1+1=4)
Originally posted by: stevey
so everyone die what the score now?
Everyone dies 2
Mafia win 1
Townie win 1
Post by: vudu on June 28, 2006, 09:25:16 AM
Post by: stevey on June 28, 2006, 09:35:55 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1Quotestevey this is mafia 6, your count only goes up to 4 (2+1+1=4)
Originally posted by: stevey
so everyone die what the score now?
Everyone dies 2
Mafia win 1
Townie win 1
I know I lost count and that why I ask what the score?
Edit new count
Mafia 666 everyone dies
Mafia 5 townies (typ/crash cheated though)
Mafia 4 werewolves win
Mafia 3 Breakyboy and TVMan (townies) Win
Mafia 2 everyone dies
Mafia 1 Townies won
Post by: ShyGuy on June 28, 2006, 09:45:24 AM
Mafia 2:The Rat - Everyone Dies
Mafia 3:Pirate vs. Ninja - ?
Mafia 4:Vamp vs. Wolf - Mafia win (?)
Mafia 5: Console War - ?
Mafia 6: Animal Crossing - Everyone Dies
Post by: nickmitch on June 28, 2006, 10:45:24 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 28, 2006, 04:53:03 PM
QuoteYAY! thnx, I've never won anything T_T
Originally posted by: vudu
Athrun Zala, I just wanted to state (on the record) that you are the worst town whore in the history of Mafia. Congrats.
on a side note though, yeah, I screwed up pretty badly, but was expected as this was the first time
and had lots of fun, and that's what matters ^^
btw, best ending ever!!!
but.......does that mean that Mario knew we were DOOMED since the begining?
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on June 28, 2006, 05:20:08 PM
Post by: Khushrenada on June 28, 2006, 05:35:34 PM
Just a sec, I'm getting a phone call. What's that? The game is over? Get over it? Ooooooooh.
Sorry about that. It's just a habit.
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 28, 2006, 05:54:59 PM
I guess my reading comprehension skills mirror that of a dead rat, because I thought Athrun was the BA (which is why Khush died). Worst ending ever!
Post by: Garnee on June 28, 2006, 06:24:35 PM
Post by: Pale on June 28, 2006, 07:13:41 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 28, 2006, 08:01:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I still don't get the ending.
KN was Crazy Redd and Infernal was Death, they killed each other
Khush was a Fox and stalked after Athrun who was Mint. Mint hid behind Mayor Aurion who turned out to be the Bombers Assistant and then Bill blew them all up.
GAME OVER.
Post by: Pale on June 29, 2006, 02:21:22 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 29, 2006, 05:44:17 AM
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Originally posted by: TheYoungerPlumber
I don't like these half-truths in the rules. Was the mayor ALWAYS THE BA or was that changed so that we had this amusing ending?
Half-truth? I pretty much explicitly stated in the rules that the Apprentice could be anyone in the game...I even listed myself as a character in the rule list!
I had personally selected Mario to be Cube, and he had known about this ending since before the game started...
Post by: MattVDB on June 29, 2006, 06:21:03 AM
Post by: stevey on June 29, 2006, 08:40:40 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2006, 09:01:18 AM
QuoteHind sight is 20/20, and now having said that, it was sooo obvious who everyone was at the beginning but I didn't want to give away that I knew too much!!
Originally posted by: stevey
boo the role weren't pick at random, worst game ever! j/k After mario die it was clear that bill was cube but it's unfair since bill can't die no matter how much we wanted him to... Vote Bill v.3
VOTE Mafia VII
Post by: vudu on June 29, 2006, 09:34:32 AM
First off, non-random role assignments sucks.
Second off, the mayor can't have a role. I don't care what you say, he just can't.
Third off, your game sucks. Stop trying to make up special rules and twists and turns. It's not fun.
I propose the next Maifa game be straight up, old school Maifa--Mafia, cop, doctor, townies. Nothing else.
Post by: Mario on June 29, 2006, 10:33:04 AM
Post by: MattVDB on June 29, 2006, 10:39:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
If you look at the rules, The Mayor was bolded as an actual character in the game.
Oh, thank you Mario. I missed that! All is well, please excuse my earlier comments. /sarcasm
The point is, it killed an otherly very enjoyable game. No matter the amount of explaining is going to change that fact. I'm with Vudu though, and the next game should be strait up original mafia. This was just dumb.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 29, 2006, 10:48:33 AM
As I said in the Rules thread, the theme of this game was "Fear"...I couldn't guarantee that Cube would survive for a while, and I didn't want everyone to feel relaxed after he died, so I made it so the Apprentice couldn't die until the end...
(That said, it's pretty amusing just how seriously some of you are taking this...)
Post by: vudu on June 29, 2006, 11:01:11 AM
Part of the charm of Mafia is the randomness. Who would have guessed that during Wandering's Mafia the Vigilante would have killed the Serial Killer on the first day? No one. Would Mafia V have ended differently had the Downtrodden Man killed at least one Mafia member instead of taking out two townies? Or if the Emissary hasn't found the Defenders of the Keep so damn early in the game and created an unstoppable barricade around himself? Or if Bill had found Peter? My ultimate point is, if you make up roles (which is what you did) or try to orchestrate the game from behind the curtains, it makes the game less fun.
Post by: Pale on June 29, 2006, 11:03:15 AM
I will have rules and signups after the 4th. Game will probably start a week or two after that I think.
Post by: Pale on June 29, 2006, 11:07:06 AM
Post by: Ceric on June 29, 2006, 11:19:02 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 29, 2006, 11:21:30 AM
obviously in normal mafia games you can't vote the god, but this wasn't normal
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 29, 2006, 11:30:33 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 29, 2006, 01:37:12 PM
The very fact that you are upset at the results shows just how random me being the Apprentice was, so I think it served its purpose quite well... ^_^
Post by: nickmitch on June 29, 2006, 05:18:44 PM
Post by: vudu on June 29, 2006, 05:23:30 PM
What if I run a game where there is no mafia and I just pick random people each night to "kill"? How much fun would that be for anyone besides me? (Side note: I wonder how long it would take everyone to figure out what I did?) I realize it's a drastic example, but it's not that far off from what you did. I just don't see why you feel you needed to draw fear into the hearts of the townies.
At the end of the day it doesn't break the game, but I don't like the direction it could lead future Mafia games to move towards.
EDIT: Damnit! TVMan stole my idea five minutes before I typed it.
Post by: MattVDB on June 29, 2006, 07:52:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The whole point of my being the Apprentice was hardly to piss everyone off, though I knew from the beginning that it would...
Bill, you never cease to amaze me.
Still, this was my first game, and it was enjoyable, so I fully plan on signing up for Pale's game. Unless there is a machine gunner's apprentice, or something of the manner. Hear that Pale? Don't let the townies down!
Post by: blackfootsteps on June 29, 2006, 08:55:52 PM
Post by: Khushrenada on June 29, 2006, 09:04:12 PM
That's why I was a disappointed with the ending when I first read it. The best way to describe it is like if this was the playoffs. In the end, on the deciding game, the referee decides to start playing and then makes himself the winner. It just made me feel like I shouldn't have bothered playing.
I hope I'm not sounding bitter because I'm not. It's just a game and I understand one can't win them all. I'm very happy with how I did especially since this was my first game and I was still unclear on things. I just wanted to try and express my feelings on the twist. There's a right way and a wrong way. Agatha Christie did it right in a novel she wrote once. I won't mention the name in case one day you read it. I don't want to spoil the ending as it were. The reason is because in the novel, there were plenty of clues provided and it all made logical sense so you didn't feel cheated but rather amazed at how quick you were to dismiss the possibility.
With this twist, there weren't enough clues and the rules seemed to contradict one another. The mayor is a role, Then the Mayor should have died by now for noting voting with-in two days. The Mayor isn't a real role. Then how can the B.A., who is the mayor, be a live role? It conflicts too much and in the end, it sort of taints the game.
Post by: Khushrenada on June 29, 2006, 09:07:47 PM
Post by: IceCold on June 29, 2006, 11:53:47 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 30, 2006, 07:00:35 AM
Post by: MattVDB on June 30, 2006, 09:19:51 AM
Post by: Khushrenada on June 30, 2006, 05:26:30 PM
My early game plan.
When Bill sent me the roles, I was elated. First game and I got to be a mafia member. I was also determined to try and win the game with the whole mafia intact. It would probably be a longshot considering all the ways one could die in this game but that was my goal. So, I got a piece of paper and wrote out the whole list of players just as Bill had posted them in alphabetical order. This will be important later. The orginal purpose was to write next to the names the actual roles of people as they were exposed, as well as suspected roles. The next thing I did was write a message to KN about my thoughts for who should hit first and who we should avoid. Keep in mind this was before the game even started. I was a little eager. Anyways, I'll post the message close to its entirety:
First message
Hello Godfather,
Although, we won't start our operations until Monday, I would like to make a suggestion on our first hit and banter about a few suspicions. In regards to our first hit, my suggestion would be Super. It was noted in the last game that he seems to be able to persuade people. As well, I don't see Super being made Cube or the bomber's apprentice. I could see super being made the cop. Anyways, just getting rid of such a powerful influence could only benefit us.
Now, of course, if there seems to be some odd voting for Super when this begins, I say we avoid voting for Super as it could be a push by the B.A. to vote for Cube. (If you understand what I'm saying.)
As for Cube, I say we avoid Unclebob and TYP.
Unclebob made a big deal about being voted out first last time and brought it up again when everyone signed up for this game. Becuase of this some people may think it funny to vote for Unclebob as first one out again. That's why I think we should avoid him, just in case Bill thought this way too and made him Cube.
Also, last game people were upset that TYP was protected and could never be voted out. They felt it was unfair that someone could go through the whole game with no fear of being voted out. Because of this, there may be people wishing to get revenge for that and will vote for TYP. Again, if Bill is thinking this, he may have made TYP Cube.
Plus, Bill really seems to relish the idea of a lot of people dying by Cube so he may try to set it up by making Cube a target that people would want to vote for.
Two, other people I think we should wait before voting for are wandering and Stevey. I don't see Stevey getting the same role almost in back to back games but we should be careful just in case. Wandering I'm not sure about because he wasn't in the last game but there just seems to be something in the banter between him and Bill that makes me cautious.
So let me conclude by saying that I don't plan to give you a big write up like this every night and also let you know I'm not going to overthink everything. It's just that I believe we should have a plan ready before the game begins. As well too, as the godfather, since you will be making the final decisions, I'm sure you'd like to hear from all your advisors as to their opinions before you make your choice. As you can see, I'm ready to give you mine.
I'm glad to be a part of the "family" and I look forward to taking out Tom Nook and making ourselves lords of beanville. We'll show everyone that we're crazy..... like a fox!
End message.
Now, the things to note here are that SUPER now knows who to direct his revenge to, I thought there might be a pattern behind Bill's roles and that even though I wasn't the godfather, I felt the best thing to do would be to help as much as I could so KN could make the best decision for the team.
I didn't hear back from KN until Day 2 but I'd like to post his message as well.
Second Message
Hey sup, its our first kill tonight!
I think you're right about SUPER, he's a threat no matter how you look at it, so that's a good choice, but that may raise suspicions about me....ever since the first game I've had a thing against Ty >_> But if there's no one else to kill, SUPER wouldn't be a bad hit.
I think we should avaid UncleBob, Wandering, Stevey, and Mario because they could be Cube (especially wandering...), nto so much TYP. But it wouldn't hurt to ignore him either, so we'll stay clear of TYP too. I'm not sure about Mario, he in an MSN chat Mario, Stevey, and 18 Days all said they were Cube....we know 18 Days wasn't, and while I don't really tink Mario is Cube, it wouldn't hurt to avoid him either at least for now.
Also, you should probably stop thinking like "oh hey Bill probably gave such-and-such a role," I trust Bill enough to choose at random...
Basically, I don't know who to kill tonight =p I think it'd be safest to kill someone low-profile to avoid any suspicious glances in our direction, but I don't know who.
End Message
The reason I posted this was for two things. KN said that Bill could choose roles randomly and that he thought Mario wasn't Cube. (Sorry KN)
Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2006, 06:07:48 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
EDIT: Damnit! TVMan stole my idea five minutes before I typed it.
This victory shall compensate my death at the hands of the original bomber.
Post by: Dasmos on June 30, 2006, 06:31:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Khushrenada
Yeah, you got there me Matt but that goes back to part of my theory/strategy. If Dasmos ever posts what I sent him, I'll look real smart.
QuoteI think you sent this after I said if Crimm is innocent then Khush is mafia. I lol'd.
Hey Dasmos. I won't die. Crimm a.k.a. Death will. I'm mint and I'm going to save myself. You suicide bomber you.
Post by: Zach on June 30, 2006, 07:27:58 PM
Post by: Khushrenada on June 30, 2006, 07:42:44 PM
Day 1
Before I begin, one thing I would like to mention was that I felt that I had a good middle of the road recognition. That means I probably wouldn't have as high a profile as UncleBob, Wandering or Pale but I wouldn't be under the rader like Blackfootsteps, Hybrid Hunter or Crash. I felt this might help me slip by a bit before people really started paying attention to me.
So, when the game began, I was real eager to vote. And having felt Cube would be someone else, I voted for Crimm. I felt he had the ability to be pretty low-key that maybe people would forget about him, so I thought I should just remind people about him. Other than that, I just wanted to play it safe and hope I didn't get voted for. To my surprise, Crimm didn't even send me a retalitory vote. A villager died and things were starting off just fine. Best of all, I awoke the next day to find out, the guardian angel and a coon had died. Things were great.
One thing I also found funny was TVMan had a throwaway vote to Icecold. We were all fellow mafia and I thought that was a clever idea. It was also something that would help later.
Day 2
The second day was rather interesting. That was the first day I voted for Blackfootsteps. It was between him and Hybrid Hunter. I voted to keep things a tie for two reasons. First, it can provide good help to look back on a close vote and see if there was anything peculiar about who voted for who. Second, since we had a new role, a tie-breaker Mint, I thought it might be useful to see if perhaps making a tie would expose that person.
But Death had other plans. Before the day was done, KN sent me a message saying Icecold had been killed by Death. That, my friends, threw my game into overdrive. Already, we had lost mafia member. But I swore it would not be in vain. I would make the town pay by relentlessly hunting down people. Anyone I could. It wouldn't matter so long as it didn't put the focus on me or my other mafia members.
KN also sent me a note saying that SUPER would be our hit. This was good news for a couple reasons. Like I alluded to in my pre-game note, in the last game, I believe Pale complained about SUPER having too much influence because people would listen to him and vote with him. By taking him out, it would help protect our mafia a bit because we wouldn't have to worry about SUPER leading a charge against us. It also gave me the inspiration for The Blackfootsteps Hunt.
Day 3
As luck would have it, I had that day off. It was the only day off I had during the whole game in fact. But, I was glad nonetheless. Since I would be leading this hunt, I knew that I'd be quite prominent during the day's vote and so I was glad I'd be able to watch and make sure things didn't turn against me. Even more lucky was the fact that when I came to vote, Blackfootsteps already had two votes against him. Now, I'd be able to avenge Icecold's premature death. I threw up my phony evidence knowing the truth the whole time and watched as Stabby self-destructed to a tie vote which he lost. Although it was disappointing at first, learning that Stabby was Copper was a great feeling. I was always a bit apprehensive that my identity might be exposed. Still, I knew that I was by no means safe because there were plenty of other ways to die yet and I went to bed for these first few nights hoping that I would still be going in the morning.
Day 3 also provided me a couple other positives. First of all, I helped save Pale from a vote and got in his good books. Pryopizm had a comment that made my day: "Khush is either the most brilliant con in the world, or he's making a strong point." It was the former Pryo. It gave me the tie I was hoping for and would later help me identify Mint. Blackfootsteps made a weird comment on how Mint made the wrong choice which gave me something further to use against him. By the way, if you're reading this Blackfootsteps, (and let's be serious, who would read this?) I've always wondered if that was a slip-up or if you had given up. I would love an answer on that.
Still, I figured after a second failure to hit Blackfootsteps, I should back off for a moment and start hunting some other people. I figured with all that had happened, Blackfootsteps was probably doomed now anyways and wouldn't be able to shake all the suspicion around him. Plus, I was pretty sure he was just a villager. After all, I just made this stuff up, so I didn't want to end up like Pale and vote out a villager. Besides, in an effort to avenge Icecold, I wanted to spread suspicion around a bunch of people and keep the focus off my mafia. Since it had been so easy to do with Blackfootsteps, I thought I'd just make something up the next day also.
Next time in part 3: Cube goes kablooey and things look grim. The Blackfootsteps Hunt continues. I think I solve the game and I start spreading suspicion.
Unless of course, you don't want to hear the rest.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 30, 2006, 07:42:45 PM
Post by: Zach on June 30, 2006, 08:10:23 PM
Post by: Khushrenada on June 30, 2006, 08:23:32 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on July 02, 2006, 10:49:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Khushrenada
By the way, if you're reading this Blackfootsteps, (and let's be serious, who would read this?) I've always wondered if that was a slip-up or if you had given up. I would love an answer on that.
A post this long, how could I resist!
Yeah I really had given up, you can ask Zach.
Things just didn't go well - Athrun was seconds away from voting for Stabby and thus saving me completely in the Stabby vote, Pryo (even after telling me he thought I was a villager) changed his vote, I had even checked into the loser's lounge, thankfully I didn't give away my identity in there as I planned to.
I figured that post would look Mafia-ish but I thought that hopefully people would get sick of voting for me after two days of close, stressful (for me at least) stand-offs. I thought that you may look crazy with your attempts to vote me off. It's funny that it all came down to throwaway votes on day 1. I was sick and tired of PMing people begging to be saved, especially after my good townie ally Mystic died in the Bomber attack. As you said there was too much evidence, however misguided, against me to allow my survival. In the end I died while I was at work and it was a peaceful way to go.
Post by: Zach on July 03, 2006, 08:14:07 AM
Post by: Pale on July 03, 2006, 08:52:31 PM
There really is something to be said for the fact that mafia members tend to rationalize / prove their votes more than normal townies. If someone over explains a vote, they are usually trying to hide something.
Post by: Zach on July 04, 2006, 08:51:26 AM
