Post by: Requiem on March 23, 2006, 09:27:07 AM
Hopefully he'll have the video up in time.
It looks like it's both 2D and 3D. It has a top down style akin to LTTP, but it looks far more vivid in it's color and mood. I think it's cel-shaded.
Great news all around.
What the hell does Phantom Hourglass mean though?
Post by: vudu on March 23, 2006, 09:36:11 AM
Is this thread really necessary? We have two others already. Or did you just want to be the first to create a proper thread so it sticks around for the next 18 months like norebonomis did with Twilight Princess?
EDIT: Link to PGC's images.
Post by: Pale on March 23, 2006, 09:38:54 AM
^^VIDEO^^
GOTY!
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 23, 2006, 09:56:57 AM
Post by: BigJim on March 23, 2006, 09:58:41 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 23, 2006, 10:41:06 AM
Aside from that it looks pretty f*cking cool. I'm curious to see how this plays. It clearly is using the stylus. I figure it's d-pad for movement, L for sword swinging, and touchscreen for item with the reverse of that being available for lefties.
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 23, 2006, 10:43:17 AM
Sailing was fun in WW, there was just a bit too much of it, and the wind was inconvenient to control.
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on March 23, 2006, 10:44:27 AM
Post by: vudu on March 23, 2006, 10:48:16 AM
QuoteAs long as we're nit-picking, I didn't like having to equip the sail. You hear me Nintendo? Just make it a context sensitive button when I get in the boat.
Sailing was fun in WW, there was just a bit too much of it, and the wind was inconvenient to control.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 23, 2006, 11:05:34 AM
My favourite part of Wind Waker is when you enter Hyrule and you can see the mountains in the distance. It was bittersweet because I thought "hell yeah" when I saw it but then thought "we didn't they make the whole game like this?"
I wouldn't mind sailing if it's just between two big continents. But I don't want to feel like I'm always on an island. I want the land areas to be big enough that there are places where you're outside but you can't see the ocean.
Post by: vudu on March 23, 2006, 11:15:05 AM
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on March 23, 2006, 11:19:17 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 23, 2006, 11:23:30 AM
Yeah but it would be nice to have a land based world that was also cel-shaded. I think Wind Waker's style was largely wasted on an empty ocean.
Edit: I just thought of something. It might not matter as much since this uses an overhead view. Since the view is restricted you might not notice the vastness of the world. In a full 3D game you can switch to eye view and stare off into the horizon. So in Wind Waker you can see that the horizon is just more water. But if you can't do that you might not notice.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 23, 2006, 12:06:45 PM
Post by: Caliban on March 23, 2006, 12:38:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Oh God, there's sailing in it.
Aside from that it looks pretty f*cking cool. I'm curious to see how this plays. It clearly is using the stylus. I figure it's d-pad for movement, L for sword swinging, and touchscreen for item with the reverse of that being available for lefties.
It's the first time I've read something from Ian that shows a side of his that we have been trying to see for a while at the sight of such awesomeness, looks like the Nintendo comunity is quite excited once again overall. Me too! And the game looks like a marvel too!
Post by: Artimus on March 23, 2006, 01:30:41 PM
Post by: Dasmos on March 23, 2006, 01:41:59 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 23, 2006, 01:55:04 PM
This game is looking like pure love. Nintendo is sucking me dry, financially. The visuals are gorgeous (much love for Wind Waker style), the gameplay looks like a good mix of old and new, the touchscreen aspects look really well implimented (which is great, I actually didn't expect it to be that good), and everything looks fun.
I really like the look of that boss (not sure if it's a dungeon boss or not; it's outside, but it wouldn't be the first time [Link's Awakening: Eagle's Tower]).
Christ. I have to make a list of all the games I want, both that have come out and that are coming out.
Edit: I also like the idea of a fairy in a 2D game, I don't believe we've seen that yet.
Post by: Renny on March 23, 2006, 02:15:16 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 23, 2006, 02:46:59 PM
Post by: Wesisapie on March 23, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on March 23, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
yes yes, the world was flooded, but how come there couldn't have been one or two massive islands or island chains the size of old Hyrule
and i think we can all agree that this game will totally pwn.., hands down
Post by: norebonomis on March 23, 2006, 02:48:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: vudu
Is this thread really necessary? We have two others already. Or did you just want to be the first to create a proper thread so it sticks around for the next 18 months like norebonomis did with Twilight Princess?
EDIT: Link to PGC's images.
I don't think anybody laughed as hard about your spoiler than I just did.
props.
personaly i wanted a DS celshaded 3d zelda from the start of the DS.. my dream has come true, and it looks like it's even better than i had imagined.
Post by: Svevan on March 23, 2006, 03:18:01 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on March 23, 2006, 03:35:17 PM
Post by: Requiem on March 23, 2006, 03:37:07 PM
Post by: Dasmos on March 23, 2006, 03:57:24 PM
Post by: MaryJane on March 23, 2006, 04:24:28 PM
It tells me that Nintendo has truly forgotten not only what it means to be a gamer, but about their hardcore gamers altoghether.
They refuse to release enough DS Lites for Lik-Sang to ship mine, but they release, and tease with all these great DS games.
What's up with that?
And using the touch screen to solve puzzles in the puzzle heavy Zelda series?? Brilliant! I mean, horrible, absolutely dreadful.
Post by: Jensen on March 23, 2006, 04:41:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I'm curious to see how this plays. It clearly is using the stylus. I figure it's d-pad for movement, L for sword swinging, and touchscreen for item with the reverse of that being available for lefties.
It appears that the touchscreen is used to move Link. The fairy is used as a cursor.
Click or click-drag enemies to attack them, encircle Link to do a spin attack. The movement speed varies depending on the distance the fairy is from Link.
Post by: Svevan on March 23, 2006, 05:13:07 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
Personally this game is bad news for me. It tells me that Nintendo has truly forgotten not only what it means to be a gamer, but about their hardcore gamers altoghether. They refuse to release enough DS Lites for Lik-Sang to ship mine, but they release, and tease with all these great DS games. What's up with that?
Apparently making great games is offensive to both hardcore and casual gamers? I heartily agree! How dare they overload us with excellent software for a readily available machine! And how dare they release a new version of said machine in Japan knowing full well that the Japanese shipment is actually for AMERICANS! Nintendo has completely forgotten where they came from!
P.S. They came from Japan.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 23, 2006, 05:38:42 PM
Post by: trip1eX on March 23, 2006, 05:40:29 PM
Post by: Wesisapie on March 23, 2006, 05:52:13 PM
Post by: wandering on March 23, 2006, 07:34:36 PM
Anyway. The gameplay looks amazing, the use of overhead in dungeons and true 3d in the overworld seems brilliant, etc. The style is....goofy. Goofier than WW. I doubt the game will be magical in the same way that zeldas usually are. Though I guess that's not necessarily a bad thing,
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 23, 2006, 07:55:02 PM
What. How can you say that, based on a twenty second trailer?
Also, the style is not goofy at all. And it'll only improve between now and release.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2006, 07:57:08 PM
Post by: Shecky on March 23, 2006, 07:58:37 PM
. What your seeing may be a single tile in a grid... (One of the gripes I had with WW islands was that a lot of the islands were just, well uneventful. Only a handful had much of anything realy going on, and there was really only one island for each tile on the grid)
Post by: IceCold on March 23, 2006, 08:08:07 PM
They both appear on the DS and are both quasi-2D in that they incorporate 2D and 3D gameplay with polygonal graphics. Very interesting..
Post by: wandering on March 23, 2006, 08:19:21 PM
Quote
What. How can you say that, based on a twenty second trailer?
Also, the style is not goofy at all. And it'll only improve between now and release.
Just the dungeons featured bright colors. I dunno.
Post by: norebonomis on March 23, 2006, 08:50:20 PM
Post by: Mario on March 23, 2006, 08:55:34 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on March 23, 2006, 09:18:26 PM
Also, is there any hope for some wi-fi Four Swords action? The concept of Four Swords has potential which has gone largely untapped thus far, and really, the idea is made for wi-fi play. Voice chatting during gameplay, even with those who don't have your friend code. It's a match made in TrueNerd heaven.
Post by: Hocotate on March 24, 2006, 12:00:30 AM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
And then my pants got tight for some reason.
I hear you there man..... I had to change my pants after watching the trailer.
Post by: nemo_83 on March 24, 2006, 12:47:52 AM
I believe it looks like the boat is not a sail boat but a steam boat, upgrade. No more wind, the wind would only be a good effect if the Zelda game centered around flying on a dragon or griffin.
video from the floor
but Nintendo.com's video is clearer.
Post by: MaryJane on March 24, 2006, 03:56:00 AM
Everything else was magnificent, I thought it was awesome how the top and bottom screens switch during gameplay (excuse my ignorance if another game does that just as well). Oh and what is everyone talking about being 2d?? looks 3d to me. although i wouldn't mind a 2d game, but this looks awesome, possibly the first game to make use of the Rev - DS connection with twilight princess?? eh maybe not? I was being sarcastic in the last post. but I do hate how nintendo plans on draining my wallet this year, but its cool cuz its like being robbed by a high priced escort who already did her job. :P
Post by: Ian Sane on March 24, 2006, 06:18:31 AM
Click or click-drag enemies to attack them, encircle Link to do a spin attack. The movement speed varies depending on the distance the fairy is from Link."
Looking at the video again it's pretty obvious that's how this plays. I don't really like the idea of moving Link with the stylus. I like to be in direct control. If you're "dragging" Link around with a fairy then the controls are going to feel loosey-goosey like you're not really in control. Plus honestly I don't see the point. Using the d-pad to move is the most obvious thing in the world. If you can't figure that out then you're a f*cking moron and a thinking game like Zelda is going to bore you a few minutes in.
I've heard that Animal Crossing has touchscreen movement in it. How well does that work? Seems like unnecessary forced touchscreen usage to me.
The boomerang stuff looks fine though.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 24, 2006, 06:28:59 AM
Quote
I've heard that Animal Crossing has touchscreen movement in it. How well does that work? Seems like unnecessary forced touchscreen usage to me.
The touchscreen control works very well in Animal Crossing. I handed it to my sister last Christmas and she had never touched a DS before. She understood it without a single question.
The only thing you want to switch back to the dpad for is some actions like fishing. but you just start using the dpad and buttons and it switches automaticly.
They will probably have a similar setup in Phantom Hourglass
Post by: KDR_11k on March 24, 2006, 06:33:27 AM
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 24, 2006, 06:49:55 AM
QuoteSo its a great game, until you find out it has touch screen. Comon stop being such a buzz kill, Nintendo isn't going to let you down.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Looking at the video again it's pretty obvious that's how this plays. I don't really like the idea of moving Link with the stylus.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 24, 2006, 07:36:32 AM
I knew it had touchscreen. I'm just a little iffy on actually moving Link with the touchscreen. What honestly gives you more control? Pressing up and having your character move up or dragging the stylus across the screen upwards and having the character follow you? Plus if I use the d-pad to move I don't have my hand in the way of the screen.
There's nothing wrong with using the touchscreen when it makes sense to. There is a problem with using the touchscreen just because it's there for something that not only is doable with the d-pad but is better suited for it. Stuff like controlling a boomerang's path and drawing on a map is cool. Dragging Link around like he's on a leash is not.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 24, 2006, 07:36:50 AM
Are you sure you're not hearing the fairy's voice? Link's voice is nearly identical to that of his recent games...
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 24, 2006, 07:46:08 AM
That said, I also think they're going to include d-pad functionality as well. I honestly believe both control schemes will be available.
(By the way, I think using the fairy as a cursor is brilliant)
Post by: Ian Sane on March 24, 2006, 07:49:03 AM
I'll agree that using a fairy is a pretty good idea. That way it doesn't take you out of the game. I liked the fairies in the N64 Zeldas for the same reason. It shows a real attention to detail.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 24, 2006, 08:22:46 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on March 24, 2006, 08:44:33 AM
INNUENDO!
Post by: TMW on March 24, 2006, 08:50:54 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 24, 2006, 09:11:05 AM
I find the touch screen control in Animal Crossing annoying, personally. I like using the stylus for just about everything in the game except moving. I just wish it was possible to smack people with the net without using the touch screen. Anyway, I hope (and I think it's reasonable to expect) that d-pad controls will exist in Phantom Hourglass. I do like that doing a spin attack is a simple matter of encircling Link, though. It's too hard to do a quick circle on the d-pad.
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 24, 2006, 09:32:55 AM
Maybe they could make a dating sim and name it that. :P
Post by: stevey on April 27, 2006, 12:35:13 PM
Post by: Nephilim on April 27, 2006, 01:13:12 PM
Post by: mantidor on April 27, 2006, 01:57:35 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 27, 2006, 02:25:34 PM
Too ultra-chibi for my taste, but I'm still interested in the game, of course.
(Also, TINGLE YES)
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 27, 2006, 02:38:47 PM
Post by: norebonomis on April 27, 2006, 04:39:42 PM
GAH
translation someone!
Post by: norebonomis on April 27, 2006, 08:28:25 PM
please?
anybody?
Post by: wandering on April 27, 2006, 09:21:18 PM
(I like it.)
Post by: norebonomis on June 20, 2006, 05:30:46 AM
Post by: Pale on June 20, 2006, 05:43:22 AM
Post by: norebonomis on June 20, 2006, 09:21:34 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 20, 2006, 12:53:52 PM
Post by: wandering on June 20, 2006, 01:44:58 PM
Post by: Artimus on June 20, 2006, 03:33:21 PM
Post by: Pale on June 21, 2006, 04:33:06 AM
Edit: Oh you mean the hand drawn art... The game definately still looks like Wind Waker.
Post by: norebonomis on June 21, 2006, 06:48:16 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
What gamers really want is Freshly-picked Tingle's Pink-coloured Rupee Land/Twilight Princess connectivity....
i know that's what i really want!
Post by: Requiem on June 21, 2006, 07:11:20 PM
Four swords and a new top down Zelda, in one package?!
*drools*
Post by: IceCold on March 09, 2007, 07:29:06 PM
Looking good!
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 10, 2007, 03:57:41 AM
Post by: Shecky on March 10, 2007, 04:01:22 AM
Post by: Shecky on March 10, 2007, 04:05:15 AM
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Originally posted by: NOT Shecky
I just need to point out something I noticed many missed...During the crab boss fight, the crab turns invisible, but the top screen displays what the crab sees, thus helping you determine where it is...It's an excellent use of the dual screens...
Yeah I caught that... and I'll bet that it'll be used late in the game in the final Ganon fight as well (think original LoZ)
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 10, 2007, 04:25:48 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 10, 2007, 04:45:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well...Considering this is a direct sequel to Wind Waker (Tetra and Pirates included), I have a feeling that Ganon won't be in this game... =3
I thought Aounuma made clear that neither Ganon or the king of Hyrule would appear on Phantom Hourglass.
From the sounds of things, it could be a Majora's Mask-esque sequel to Wind waker (takes place on the same world as the first, but follows a whole new storyline).
Post by: KDR_11k on March 10, 2007, 05:49:33 AM
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 10, 2007, 06:01:18 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 10, 2007, 06:27:55 AM
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Originally posted by: MarioAllStar
I'm pretty sure that Ganon makes an appearance in the Oracle games after you beat/link both of them as well as an allusion to him in the final boss of Link's Awakening. I do not think Ganondorf appears (or is even referenced) in any of the handheld games.
You beat me to it.
Yeah, none of the handheld games describe Ganondorf beyond his Ganon persona.
Post by: King of Twitch on March 10, 2007, 09:13:23 AM
Post by: mantidor on March 11, 2007, 01:24:07 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 11, 2007, 01:39:39 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Well...Considering this is a direct sequel to Wind Waker (Tetra and Pirates included), I have a feeling that Ganon won't be in this game... =3
I thought Aounuma made clear that neither Ganon or the king of Hyrule would appear on Phantom Hourglass.
From the sounds of things, it could be a Majora's Mask-esque sequel to Wind waker (takes place on the same world as the first, but follows a whole new storyline).
Wait a second, I thought Majora's Mask took place in a DIFFERENT world. At least the vast majority of the game did. Anyway I am looking forward to this game, I just hope the touch controls work well.
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 12, 2007, 12:14:32 PM
Edit: I hope they improve the Link model too.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 12, 2007, 12:30:54 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I'm intrigued about the controls though, all we saw there was "RUB!!".
You didn't see all the times a path was drawn for the boomerang?
Post by: Adrock on March 12, 2007, 02:50:17 PM
I hope Ganondorf doesn't make it. Nintendo shouldn't force him into the games (i.e. Twlight Princess). I realize the series isn't known for its storyline, but I think it could benefit if they didn't rely on Ganon being behind almost every evil plot against Hyrule.
Post by: IceCold on March 12, 2007, 02:59:26 PM
QuoteBut we already knew that one before. Same as the ship course, the drawing on maps etc. And also the E3 impressions outline the basic control scheme.
Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
I'm intrigued about the controls though, all we saw there was "RUB!!".
You didn't see all the times a path was drawn for the boomerang?
Post by: Shecky on March 12, 2007, 03:00:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
I'm intrigued about the controls though, all we saw there was "RUB!!".
You didn't see all the times a path was drawn for the boomerang?
I'm trying to figure out how the boomerang works. There are times where no path is drawn and then some times where you can draw a path... I'm wondering if the D-pad (buttons for lefties) are your items and you can either hold or click them like past titles.
Oh and please s/Ganon/Final\ Boss/ in my last post, yesh not that important... and I still think said final boss will require you to revisit the technique. It's to "unique" to be left out.
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 12, 2007, 03:26:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
s/Ganon/Final\ Boss/ in my last post, yesh not that important...
I respect the use of vim-style search and replace.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 12, 2007, 07:05:35 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 12, 2007, 09:50:44 PM
Zant was a great villain, although I did ultimately like the role he played as a nutcase. But I think a diversity of villains would be nice, in many of Nintendo's franchises, not just Zelda.
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 13, 2007, 12:22:55 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Didn't SED pioneer that?
Probably. I'm not well-versed in many of the classic Unix tools, I'm afraid.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 13, 2007, 09:06:50 PM
Post by: stevey on April 10, 2007, 03:48:08 PM
link
Post by: TrueNerd on April 11, 2007, 08:40:44 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 12, 2007, 11:53:43 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 12, 2007, 01:36:17 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I'm personally hoping for a story that settles some of the questions Wind Waker left open at the end of the game (what happened to Hyrule?) but I'm not holding my breath.
But they did answer that question, Hyrule was flooded away for good. The King wished for old Hyrule to be washed away for all time and for both him and Ganondorf to die so that the new generation, Link and Tetra could live on and to find a land that would become their Hyrule. It was supposed to represent getting ride of the dark past, to create a good future.
That's why Link and Tetra are looking for a new land in this game so they can turn it into the New Hyrule because the old one is no more.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 13, 2007, 05:54:15 AM
In reality I think they'll just do a side-story plot, which is cool too, but I'd like to see a conclusion to the search for a new home land.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 13, 2007, 06:38:19 AM
You'll just have to wait for the next console Zelda... =3
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 13, 2007, 07:10:47 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on April 13, 2007, 10:32:20 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 13, 2007, 11:02:48 PM
Young Links World
Ocarina of Time > Majora’s Mask > Twilight Princess > Link to the Past > Links Awakening > Original > Links Adventure
Adult Links World
Ocarina of Time > Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass
This is why they don't need Ganondorf and the Master Sword in this game because the Zelda's in Adult Link's timeline have no need for them anymore. The Adult Link World is an all new storyline for Nintendo so they can do what ever they want with it, while Young Link's World is the same as the older Zelda's and so Nintendo has Ganondorf and the Master Sword in those to keep them connected.
And for those that are ready to attack me, the split timeline is OFFICAL people. Aonuma himself has confirmed it.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 16, 2007, 04:18:21 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2007, 08:30:38 AM
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Young Links World
Ocarina of Time > Majora’s Mask > Twilight Princess > Link to the Past > Links Awakening > Original > Links Adventure
I can't agree with that time line. Mainly Link to the Past-Links Adventure.
The original has to be before at least Link to the Past. Hyrule is more developed in all the other ones afterward. I can see why someone would put the original towards the end because you find the Master Sword in a grave.
If I had to place them I do.
Original > Links Adventure (Has to be same Link) > Link to the Past > Links Awakening (This one could technically happen with the original Link because I don't remember them doing anything to make it otherwise) > Ocarina of Time > Majora’s Mask > Twilight Princess >
In fact
I think this be better yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ocarina of Time(Child Timeline) > Majora’s Mask > Twilight Princess > (Next Console Game)
Original > Links Adventure > Link to the Past > Links Awakening <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ocarina of Time(Adult Timeline) > Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass > (Next Handheld Game)
Thats how I see it. They both have a common past and split at Ocarina.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 16, 2007, 10:32:51 AM
Doesn't mean a thing...You could say that Hyrule was destroyed by Ganon's minions in the original game...
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2007, 08:43:01 AM
It might not be the best explanation but I really think the original was first. You defeat Ganon(Original), then you foil him again (Links Adventure) but he really just went to the Dark World so we are setup for Link to the Past. Links Awakening could happen anywhere pre-Ocarina post Original. You have some polarization of Hyrule and their is a "reincarnation" or descendant of the first two (possibly 1) in Ganondorf. Then the time line moves on from there.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 17, 2007, 12:05:49 PM
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2007, 12:54:24 PM
Quote
Ninty has already gone on the record to state that Ocarina of Time is first in their "timeline"
When did they state that? Do you have a link for it?
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2007, 08:05:47 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 18, 2007, 10:22:50 AM
However, I think the concept of two different time lines forming from the events of OoT is pretty cool concept. It adds a draw depth and consequence to the story. Link going back in time, meant that a rift formed between two times.
I hope this truly is Nintendo's position on the Zelda franchise. Perhaps they can create a story that melds the two universes again. It would be something amazing and epic.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 18, 2007, 10:47:52 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 24, 2007, 07:18:05 AM
I'm really digging the art, and I REALLY hope they will consider using toon-shading again for the next console game...
Post by: Ceric on May 24, 2007, 08:50:44 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 24, 2007, 05:14:01 PM
Link's design sucks.
It was a good thing that in wind waker we were mostly just seeing his shield which was very neat, but PH has a perspective closer to the original 2D games, which can't hide his ugly face. I wish they could achieve a closer resemblance to the concept art, which is really great, the guy in the cover art doesn't look so different than his 3D counterpart, why not Link?
I can't wait for the game, but I still don't understand most of the gameplay, is there any translation of this anywhere?
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 24, 2007, 05:18:54 PM
- The game follows a prophecy: “An evil darkness… A huge ocean… And the voice of a sacred light.”
- Game progression: Explore underground temple, find sea chart, head to new island, collect sand of time, head back to underground temple, repeat
- A time meter will be displayed in the underground temple to let you know how much time you have left before you take damage
- The deeper into the temple you make it, the more sea charts you will get. These charts will take you to new places farther and farther into the ocean
- The islands you travel to pose traditional Zelda elements, and also have you hunting for clues concerning the ghost ship
- Touch a spot far away to have Link run to it, auto jumps and all
- Arrows appear on screen that enable Link to push/pull items
- Three different sword attacks based on how you use the stylus
Post by: Ian Sane on May 25, 2007, 06:33:05 AM
I wouldn't mind that if they used a different design. I'm more turned off by the pig feet, Looney Tunes moblins and big comical puffs of smoke than cel-shading itself. Cel-shaded Zelda has a lot of potential, it just doesn't need to be so cartoony. Though seeing another game with the Wind Waker style but with an overworld that isn't just a big blue ocean is worth trying just to see what it would look like. Phantom Hourglass looks to be nautical based again so we'll have to wait for now.
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 09:19:07 AM
Quote
...
- The game follows a prophecy: “An evil darkness… A huge ocean… And the voice of a sacred light.”
No Sale.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 25, 2007, 11:16:07 AM
Still...
- Return of a graphic style I didn't care for.
- Return of big blue ocean of nothing.
- Questionable touchscreen controls that sounds incredibly forced.
Nintendo seems to be trying really hard to make a Zelda game I won't like. But I'll probably still buy it because, you know, it's Zelda and it would take some sort of anti-talent to screw that up. Even at their worst Nintendo still makes pretty good games.
The return of the ocean though is so typical Nintendo. "Every fan hated it so let's bring it back just like we did with Krystal and anything we first introduced in Yoshi's Story!"
Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2007, 11:23:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
But I'll probably still buy it because, you know, it's Zelda and it would take some sort of anti-talent to screw that up.
Sega could do it.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 25, 2007, 08:01:03 PM
Unlikely, a Gamecube game more polygons in one character than the DS can have in the entire scene.
The changed travel may reduce the tedium that is travelling on the ocean though, especially not having to summon the wind all the time should help.
Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2007, 04:02:08 AM
Though I am interested in all the other facets of the game, like its predecessor.
Post by: Mario on May 26, 2007, 04:19:07 PM
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The return of the ocean though is so typical Nintendo. "Every fan hated it so let's bring it back just like we did with Krystal and anything we first introduced in Yoshi's Story!"
You aren't every fan. You're one, and that's why Nintendo doesn't care about you.
Post by: Deguello on May 26, 2007, 06:22:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
WORDS
OK.
Now that's over with, we can get back to the people with a shred of credibility and maybe some dignity left.
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2007, 07:09:38 PM
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- Game progression: Explore underground temple, find sea chart, head to new island, collect sand of time, head back to underground temple, repeat
Ugh... I hope that's not the extent of it.
My problem with Zelda nowadays is that much of it is familiar territory. The dungeons are structured the same way (the weapon found in the dungeon will kill the boss, find it, kill boss, collect shiny thing) and then they have these ridiculous collection/trade quests outside of dungeons. It'd blow my mind if Nintendo broke the pattern in the middle of one of the games. Say, right before the boss dies, it destroys the shiny artifact you went so far to obtain then you're like, "Oh, sh*t, Now what?"
Zelda is almost as cliche as Mario. The genius of some of the past few Mario titles (i.e. Mario and Luigi) is that they played on the Mario cliches and actually made something original.
Post by: Deguello on May 26, 2007, 09:10:16 PM
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Say, right before the boss dies, it destroys the shiny artifact you went so far to obtain then you're like, "Oh, sh*t, Now what?"
How is that any different? You've just replaced "shiny object" with "arbitrary plot point."
Post by: Mario on May 26, 2007, 10:11:22 PM
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2007, 02:27:28 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 29, 2007, 06:07:04 AM
Post by: vudu on May 29, 2007, 08:12:31 AM
QuoteThey actually did this in Super Paper Mario. It blew my mind.
Originally posted by: Adrock
It'd blow my mind if Nintendo broke the pattern in the middle of one of the games. Say, right before the boss dies, it destroys the shiny artifact you went so far to obtain then you're like, "Oh, sh*t, Now what?"
Post by: Ian Sane on May 29, 2007, 09:27:22 AM
I only sorta found Twilight Princess stale because the overworld was so ridiculously similar to Ocarina of Time. It felt like I wasn't visiting new areas. That was Nintendo's choice though. They didn't HAVE to do that. I didn't have a problem with the concept of changing up the overworld in Wind Waker, just the execution. Legend of Zelda, Link's Awakening, A Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time all take place in Hyrule but the actually areas are quite different. Twilight Princess' familiarity is the exception and hopefully should remain as such.
I think if you took out the "go to dungeon, find item, kill boss" pattern it wouldn't quite feel so Zelda like. There's a barebones structure there that has to followed to some extent. The originality should come from the dungeon design itself and what the item involved actually does. And the "get shiny thing" again is just arbitrary. Nintendo doesn't have to reuse the flimsy "collect this many magic thingamajingies" plotline. They can think of a better reason to be in the dungeons.
I think Majora's Mask had the best way to avoid stagnation. There were only four "official" dungeons but so many of the sidequests had a dungeon like feel. They gave us something else to do besides the standard dungeons and that really made the game for me.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 30, 2007, 05:11:16 AM
Wow...They've got the color scheme down perfectly...Now to wait for an official release date...
Post by: mantidor on May 30, 2007, 08:18:53 AM
wasn't this for august, or am I mistaking it with something else?Navi(?) looks weird now that I think about it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 30, 2007, 08:35:22 AM
Post by: wandering on May 30, 2007, 12:09:49 PM
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Making a game nothing like The Legend of Zelda then calling it The Legend of Zelda is a great idea.
I agree.
...well, I wouldn't want the next Zelda game to be nothing like previous Zelda games. I mean, I'd want it to be about a green-clad kid who faces off against evil. But, apart from that, I think the formula is very tired, and should be - not just changed - but done away with, completely.
Post by: TrueNerd on May 30, 2007, 09:30:31 PM
Post by: Adrock on May 30, 2007, 09:54:24 PM
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wandering wrote:
I agree.
...well, I wouldn't want the next Zelda game to be nothing like previous Zelda games. I mean, I'd want it to be about a green-clad kid who faces off against evil. But, apart from that, I think the formula is very tired, and should be - not just changed - but done away with, completely.
I believe he (Mario) was being sarcastic. And if he wasn't, he sure sounded like it.
But I agree with you, wandering. I think what defines Zelda is more than the way the games are commonly structured (dungeons, plot, puzzles etc.). That's why I don't oppose changing the so-called Zelda formula. Nintendo dictates what makes Zelda. If Eiji Aonuma sticks to his guns and Twilight Princess really is the last Zelda of its kind, I trust Nintendo to bring the essence of the series into new territory with the kind of quality that is expected of a Zelda game.
Post by: SixthAngel on May 30, 2007, 10:48:18 PM
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2007, 02:21:55 AM
Post by: wandering on May 31, 2007, 08:18:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
I believe he (Mario) was being sarcastic. And if he wasn't, he sure sounded like it.
That was not lost on me.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 07, 2007, 02:47:44 AM
New Scan 1
New Scan 2
I must admit that a year ago I was worried that Ninty would focus too much on the controls and forget to put personality into the game, but that is clearly not the case...So yummy!
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 07, 2007, 03:14:18 AM
The game looks very nice. It is the game I am waiting for to pull me away from the Wii and Virtual Console games that I love.
Post by: Caliban on June 07, 2007, 04:05:44 AM
Post by: mantidor on June 07, 2007, 11:40:54 AM
!! Eskimos!! and the return of SPLOOOCH! What happened with the zoras? I mean the ritos? I hope they make an appearance, it seems to me like they hired the postman for some reason.
This is so awesome, I want it now.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 16, 2007, 02:07:37 PM
Post by: mantidor on June 16, 2007, 08:00:10 PM
I had no idea they were implementing the microphone as well, blowing candles to put them off sounds fun, what other uses will the microphone have? I hope the don't over do it. Seeing that they apparently backed out of making the phantoms controlled by voice I feel it will be used well.
The best part of all is him telling the "we want another old Zelda!" fans (which after TP lesson are probably very small in number) to give up and give it a try because its refreshing and fun.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 16, 2007, 08:48:37 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on June 16, 2007, 09:08:31 PM
Post by: mantidor on June 17, 2007, 06:07:48 AM
Post by: UncleBob on June 17, 2007, 06:30:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane[...] Link's Awakening [...] all take place in Hyrule but the actually areas are quite different.
Ummm.... no.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 20, 2007, 12:21:15 AM
But...but...stylus controls!
Post by: Mario on June 20, 2007, 02:20:35 AM
Post by: mantidor on June 20, 2007, 03:12:17 AM
Post by: Caliban on June 20, 2007, 04:50:59 AM
Post by: Shecky on June 20, 2007, 04:14:27 PM
^ Translation is no easy task! ^
Post by: Mashiro on June 20, 2007, 04:39:11 PM
Post by: Adrock on June 22, 2007, 08:07:44 AM
Post by: Mario on June 22, 2007, 04:39:34 PM
Post by: Adrock on June 22, 2007, 05:26:35 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 23, 2007, 01:19:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Jeremy Parish, 1up
I’ll write up a full preview in a few days, but I just had to express my amazement. The DS has already developed such a great library, and that this raises the bar even further, etc. etc. Nintendo, you magnificent bastards.
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Originally posted by: Aussie-Nintendo
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, for more than a year, has remained my number-one, most-wanted DS game. And, I can absolutely declare that the wait – even though not totally over – has been worth it. I was a fan of The Wind Waker and its amazing visual style, so it’s great to have it back. And back, mind you, where it really seems to belong. No doubt even the haters will agree that it’s more at home on a handheld. The use of the Nintendo DS is nigh on perfect. It’s used just enough to complement the Zelda experience without damaging it or leaving more to be desired. I’m yet to experience action spanning two screens, but I know it’s in there. The game looks amazing, plays extremely solidly, and it’s not only going to satisfy the hardcore, like ourselves – it will introduce new players thanks to being so accessible. And, what better place to do it than on DS. I’m more excited about this game than I’ve ever been. Don’t doubt it any longer!
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Originally posted by: Chris Kohler
The first hour or so of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass for Nintendo DS has me quite excited about the next thirty. So far, everything works perfectly. Walking around and slashing enemies with the stylus is quite polished, and so is picking up and throwing objects.
Yeah, I don't think there's anything to worry about...Score another point for Ninty and the DS...
Post by: Caliban on July 02, 2007, 03:16:23 AM
Edit: Oh, and you get a special stylus if you register this game on your MyNintendo account. No doubt that I will do so.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 04, 2007, 01:38:11 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 04, 2007, 03:15:11 PM
Post by: MarioAllStar on July 04, 2007, 03:30:44 PM
"Recommended for Everyone...except Kairon"
Post by: Mario on July 05, 2007, 02:17:51 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 05, 2007, 03:19:29 PM
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Originally posted by: MarioAllStar
Why would you skip playing the most the innovative Zelda game since Ocarina of Time?!
"Recommended for Everyone...except Kairon"
I'm a Nintendo fanboi. I don't need to buy Nintendo games to know they're good.
Post by: IceCold on July 05, 2007, 06:19:50 PM
Post by: Requiem on July 05, 2007, 07:13:06 PM
You'll buy and play Bugs Adventure SHOOTER but not something that deserves to be praised?
Post by: Mario on July 07, 2007, 03:34:38 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 07, 2007, 07:51:34 AM
*shrug* They're still the best games ever made, no doubt about that.
But for my SECOND reason to not typically be all jazzed up about Nintendo games... seriously, Nintendo doesn't need my help. Their games sell millions anyways. Their stuff is still sitting on the shelves one, two, three years later. I can pick them up anytime, anywhere, anyhow. So even if the game is great, it doesn't warrant me picking it up immediately, just like I don't NEED to read the 7th harry potter book at launch, I'd rather wait until it crosses my path incidentally and naturally.
No, Nintendo is a known quantity, and they don't need my help. But third party games are vivid in their heroic grasping at quality, shocking in their clearly non-Nintendo style, expansive in the range of themes and gameplay they cover that Nintendo doesn't, and provide a more wholesome, more inclusive, and more balanced view of videogames and the industry as a whole.
I made the mistake of buying only Nintendo games for the N64 and GC. Those were the years in which I, personally, exhibited the most close-minded, narrow, hateful, naive, ridiculous tendencies of irrational fandom I can bear to think of. I have made a deliberate choice to not become that person again.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2007, 09:04:13 AM
Yeah but since they won't be any cheaper by then, why wait?
Post by: Mario on July 07, 2007, 03:35:14 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2007, 07:55:20 PM
Personally I too try some less known games in the hopes of finding a few gems but most of these games deserve their lack of popularity. I did get EDF2 and Bunny Must Die that way but I also got a lot of crap that makes me wonder if those devs actually played their games.
Post by: Kairon on July 07, 2007, 09:13:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
So, you buy games for reasons other than enjoyment, and you call that an improvement?
I enjoy my games. Why? Because I buy them to LEARN about them. And I enjoy learning.
Yes there's an appeal in being atypical, but the real appeal is in widening my experiences, being challenged with new concepts, and sometimes being surprised by a gem in the rough, whether that "gem" be an entire game that turns out well, or even one small redeeming feature hidden in the corner of an otherwise blah game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 09, 2007, 04:17:11 AM
I'm three dungeons and something like 12 hours into the game right now (I haven't kept count, and the time you've spent isn't listed...Oh well...) and it just keeps getting better and better...Here's some nice tidbits...
- First, and most importantly, the controls are fantastic...Sword slashes are done by stroking perpendicular to the direction Link is going, sword thrusts by stroking forward, spin attack by making a quick circle around Link...You can also tap enemies to make Link attack them, and if the enemy is a distance away, he'll perform a jump attack...Items are controlled by either selecting said item from the top right of the screen and using the touch screen, or you can hold the L shoulder button as a shortcut...Rolling is the only technique that can be tough to do...You need to make quick, small circles at the edge of the screen in the direction you want to go...Oh yes, if you spin attack or roll more than 4 times in quick succession, Link will go dizzy for a short period of time...Long story short, you'll want these controls in future DS Zelda games, period...
- Travel on the ocean is incredibly fun, and I expect it will be for someone who didn't even like Wind Waker's boat travel (God forbid)...You basically chart out your path on your chart and the boat will get to its destination on its own...However, it's not quite that easy...
There are many obstacles in your way, like mini-cyclones, explosive barrels, and thorn barriers you need to jump over...And once you get your cannon you'll be rarely not fighting an enemy (be it a water Octorok, flying fish, pirate, etc...) Using the cannon is very simple to use, just tap where you want to fire...Very easy and very fun...Oh yeah, treasure-hunting has gotten a huge boost in depth, but I'll save that for everyone to find out... =3- Dungeon design is short, but very well-done...While I have taken around 15-25 minutes for each dungeon I've done so far, they have been incredibly enjoyable, providing ingenious puzzles and fun challenges on a level that hasn't been seen since Link's Awakening (which is fitting, I guess, since Link's Awakening was also done by EAD)...Interesting tidbit about the boss key: you no longer carry it around in your pocket...Link instead carries the giant thing over his head, slowing him down and providing an amusing sight...Good thing the boss doors are never too far away!
- The three bosses I've fought have been absolutely fantastic, particularly the boss of the 3rd dungeon...They each are defeated using the specific item you got in that dungeon, as in other Zelda games...Interesting tidbit about heart containers: They now pop up in a chest after every boss, and I haven't found a single heart piece yet...Hmmm...
- The most important area of the game: The Phantom Hourglass Dungeon...In these segments, you go down through the dungeon to find a piece of the sea chart, then you'll return when you meet the requirements to continue...You are given an amount of time to complete the dungeon, which is chock-full of puzzles and enemies, most notable are the Phantoms...Invincible Darknuts, Phantoms patrol the dungeon halls looking for trespassers...If they see you, the alarms will sound, and all the Phantoms on the floor you are on will start heading towards your position...Oh shiiiii...Good thing you can run to glowing safe zones that not only make you invisible to Phantoms, but also stops the Phantom Hourglass, giving you a nice breather and time to set up your attack on the floor...You have to go through the same floors you've already passed on consecutive times you pass through the dungeon, but there are shortcuts that you can take with the new items you've acquired, and tougher enemies are dropped into your lap to keep you on your toes...You will receive more Phantom Hourglass sand that will extend your time limit from bosses, and can find it in treasure chests that can be pulled from the ocean bottom...
And that's it for major info, here's some fun little tidbits...
- The game uses every aspect of the DS...Yes...Every...
- Some of the puzzles feel very Trace Memory-ish...Which is a very good thing...
- Cuccos return, and yes they will go into ultra death attack mode when you slash them too many times!
- Every island is large in size and has a point to it, be it main quest or side quest
- There are plenty of NPCs to talk to, surprisingly...I've only hit half of the map thus-far, and I've talked to around 40 NPCs!
- There are a crapload of items to collect......but I honestly have no idea what to do with any of them right now... =3
- Link can't swim, period...For now at least...
- Return of classic enemies like the Octorok (the REAL kind!) and Hardhat Beetles (the annoying buggers that you can't kill in any other way but knocking them into a pit...)
- Boat customization! Pretty much self-explanatory and VERY cool...
- A huge amount of visual humour and hilarious dialogue...Lineback (the side character we've seen alongside Link in art) is great, but not as great as Midna... =3
Buy...this...game! October 1st!
Post by: Mashiro on July 09, 2007, 07:31:11 AM
Now I have yet another game I must buy >.<!
Post by: Kairon on July 09, 2007, 02:00:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Okay, let's get off of Kairon's silly reason for buying games and go back to how awesome Phantom Hourglass is! =)
So awesome that even KAIRON will buy it. And it's not even recommended for him!
Post by: IceCold on July 09, 2007, 02:07:54 PM
QuoteI've always found that the Capcom handheld Zeldas were good games, no doubt, but they just didn't have the Nintendo magic.
which is fitting, I guess, since Link's Awakening was also done by EAD
Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2007, 04:21:19 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 12, 2007, 04:24:50 PM
=P
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2007, 04:24:58 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 13, 2007, 06:02:14 AM
I read the interview with Aonuma, Nintendo is taking quite the business approach to the series these days (they will wait to see how Phantom Hourglass sells outside of Japan before committing to a simplified approach for the next Wii game). I don't think that's an entirely bad thing, it sounds like they've really captured the spirit of the series for Phantom Hourglass while making it easier for everyone to play.
Post by: mantidor on July 18, 2007, 02:51:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Eiji Aonuma
And I personally wanted to implement more humor into Twilight Princess.
And some people who I won't name still doubt Aonuma, you are just WRONG! I want more games from this man!
oh yeah and PH, but I'm so broke right now ;_;
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2007, 02:55:50 PM
I beat the game...Excellent final boss I got a Game Over
and an excellent ending that still leaves the story open for another sequel! Because there's no such thing as too much Toon-shaded Link and Tetra!
Post by: IceCold on July 18, 2007, 03:40:53 PM
QuoteWhoa.. ironic that your streak would end on this nongame, eh?
I got a Game Over
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 18, 2007, 05:06:07 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2007, 05:15:57 PM
Post by: stevey on August 31, 2007, 03:21:31 PM
(why must Metroid, Mario, Smash, and Zelda come out in the same year)
Post by: Ghisy on September 29, 2007, 02:48:57 AM
I'll get it when I come back from Tokyo though so not until mid-October!!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 30, 2007, 01:13:02 AM
Post by: IceCold on September 30, 2007, 01:36:10 PM
Also, what does the guy say at the end of this commercial?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2007, 12:03:24 AM
Post by: Darkheart on October 01, 2007, 09:13:33 AM
Post by: UncleBob on October 01, 2007, 09:39:23 AM
Post by: vudu on October 01, 2007, 09:54:48 AM
Also, this is my last post in this thread until after I beat the game. See you all in 2008!
Post by: mantidor on October 01, 2007, 04:03:51 PM
Post by: The Sailerman on October 01, 2007, 05:57:24 PM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
Did the game come out today or is it tomorrow? I have heard people talking about getting it already. . . has it been released early?
The Nintendo World Store had it on sale Sunday from 2 PM to 4 PM and "officially" began selling it on Monday.
But I believe all other stores will have it Tuesday.
Post by: TrueNerd on October 01, 2007, 06:48:47 PM
I'm holding off until Thursday as I have two exams to study for before then.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2007, 02:46:32 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on October 02, 2007, 05:32:26 AM
Post by: Darkheart on October 02, 2007, 07:37:04 AM
Post by: IceCold on October 02, 2007, 11:45:05 AM
Any Mario > Zelda
But darkheart is right - even on the forums no one is excited about this one, or at least isn't posting. I picked it up already and will start playing soon.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 02, 2007, 11:54:56 AM
(And I'm still going to pick it up again sometime this week whenever I can pull myself away from my studies!)
Post by: Darkheart on October 02, 2007, 02:29:23 PM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
Love it thus far BUT WHY IN HELL DID THEY REUSE NAVI's "HEY" voice -_____-. My head twitched when I heard it
Yeah, and so far it seems that they only use the "hey!" clip. I never thought I'd miss Navi saying "listen!"...
Post by: DAaaMan64 on October 02, 2007, 06:55:39 PM
Post by: Svevan on October 02, 2007, 08:09:47 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 02, 2007, 10:36:11 PM
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Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
I think for this game they reused a couple of things that drove some fans crazy. Just to stick it to 'em. First the Celda came back, now Navi's "Hey!", I remember ya'll complaining.
I've never really gotten why, as Navi annoyed me more because she'd waste my time telling me things I already knew rather than because of her voice...
Post by: Darkheart on October 03, 2007, 12:11:54 AM
Post by: wandering on October 03, 2007, 12:36:11 AM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
How playable is this Zelda in Japanese? I am in Beijing now and this basically will decide whether I buy a pirated copy (not sure if I can find one in English but I haven't checked yet) or buy some other things to get the game through other means. Please don't get on my case for this, if you know a place in Beijing (or anywhere in mainland China) that can guarantee the copy is legit tell me and I will buy it.
Amazon.com ships to China, I believe.
Post by: SixthAngel on October 03, 2007, 05:33:13 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Amazon.com ships to China, I believe.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 04, 2007, 04:13:49 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on October 05, 2007, 03:56:46 AM
But, It may be my DS, but when I move the stylus to the edges of the screen, it acts ups and I have to tap the screen again to get it oriented again.
I liked Navi, and her voice. I'm glad they reused it. =D
Post by: decoyman on October 05, 2007, 05:01:08 AM
* I cringe a bit to pay full price, but Zelda is one of the few games I'm willing to do it for. It's always worth it. Plus, there were bonuses!
First impressions: graphics are amazing. They're pulling off lots of tricks here, and it really is impressive. The characters aren't cell-shaded, but the polygons still do an admirable job of replicating the look. The controls took me some getting used to (still not used to rolling accurately), but I'm getting better faster than I figured I would. My main problem is that my stupid hand gets in the way too much (I'm right handed, and if I want to run left, my hand covers most of the dang screen). The characters are pretty funny too, like in the Ocean King temple when Linebeck shakes you around, and you get the item while Link's still all woozy. I got a chuckle out of that. Sailing is interesting too... I didn't know what to think about it at first, but it's growing on me. There seems to be lots to do on the water, and it's faster getting where you want to go than in WW.
Overall: So far, so good! I'm really impressed and can't wait to play it again.
Post by: IceCold on October 07, 2007, 09:14:39 PM
Post by: Darkheart on October 07, 2007, 11:47:07 PM
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Originally posted by: decoyman
Picked this up yesterday at Circuit City – $34.99*, but it also came with a screen cleaner, large pen-style stylus, and (VERY crappy/ugly) headphones. I mean, there's a giant Link face on each earpiece.
* I cringe a bit to pay full price, but Zelda is one of the few games I'm willing to do it for. It's always worth it. Plus, there were bonuses!
First impressions: graphics are amazing. They're pulling off lots of tricks here, and it really is impressive. The characters aren't cell-shaded, but the polygons still do an admirable job of replicating the look. The controls took me some getting used to (still not used to rolling accurately), but I'm getting better faster than I figured I would. My main problem is that my stupid hand gets in the way too much (I'm right handed, and if I want to run left, my hand covers most of the dang screen). The characters are pretty funny too, like in the Ocean King temple when Linebeck shakes you around, and you get the item while Link's still all woozy. I got a chuckle out of that. Sailing is interesting too... I didn't know what to think about it at first, but it's growing on me. There seems to be lots to do on the water, and it's faster getting where you want to go than in WW.
Overall: So far, so good! I'm really impressed and can't wait to play it again.
The stylus you got is super comfy but I would NOT recommend it for the game, stick with the smaller stylus that came with your Ds so you have more viewing space.
Post by: decoyman on October 08, 2007, 04:36:10 AM
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Originally posted by: darkheartQuote
Originally posted by: decoyman
Picked this up yesterday at Circuit City – $34.99*, but it also came with a screen cleaner, large pen-style stylus, and (VERY crappy/ugly) headphones. I mean, there's a giant Link face on each earpiece.
* I cringe a bit to pay full price, but Zelda is one of the few games I'm willing to do it for. It's always worth it. Plus, there were bonuses!
First impressions: graphics are amazing. They're pulling off lots of tricks here, and it really is impressive. The characters aren't cell-shaded, but the polygons still do an admirable job of replicating the look. The controls took me some getting used to (still not used to rolling accurately), but I'm getting better faster than I figured I would. My main problem is that my stupid hand gets in the way too much (I'm right handed, and if I want to run left, my hand covers most of the dang screen). The characters are pretty funny too, like in the Ocean King temple when Linebeck shakes you around, and you get the item while Link's still all woozy. I got a chuckle out of that. Sailing is interesting too... I didn't know what to think about it at first, but it's growing on me. There seems to be lots to do on the water, and it's faster getting where you want to go than in WW.
Overall: So far, so good! I'm really impressed and can't wait to play it again.
The stylus you got is super comfy but I would NOT recommend it for the game, stick with the smaller stylus that came with your Ds so you have more viewing space.
Actually, yeah, I've kinda decided that too. In fact, the Quill Stylus IceCold posted up there might be perfect. I mean, it's transparent! I filled out the little survey for it... too bad it's not shipping till the 22nd.
Post by: Armak88 on October 08, 2007, 07:04:09 AM
I just saw it and I wanted to buy the game... and I already own it.
Post by: UncleBob on October 08, 2007, 01:10:58 PM
Post by: Maverick on October 08, 2007, 02:57:37 PM
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I need ship parts god damn it!
Post by: UncleBob on October 08, 2007, 03:34:55 PM
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Post by: decoyman on October 09, 2007, 05:14:50 AM
Close your DS to "imprint" it on your map .
Devious, isn't it? (even if it is a rip-off of something Trace Memory already did)
Post by: DAaaMan64 on October 09, 2007, 05:43:31 AM
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Take a look at both images. They're aligned, aren't they? And the look like mirror images of each other. You have one way to align them physically...
Close your DS to "imprint" it on your map .
Devious, isn't it? (even if it is a rip-off of something Trace Memory already did)
WOW thanks, thats really... irritating. Thanks.
Post by: Caliban on October 09, 2007, 06:16:49 AM
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I need ship parts god damn it!
We can trade ship parts through Nintendo-WFC?
Post by: nitsu niflheim on October 09, 2007, 08:05:55 AM
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: stevey on October 09, 2007, 09:32:06 AM
PS- go to the match making/smack talk forums to post FC till mods make/move a thread.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 09:49:04 AM
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Take a look at both images. They're aligned, aren't they? And the look like mirror images of each other. You have one way to align them physically...
Close your DS to "imprint" it on your map .
Devious, isn't it? (even if it is a rip-off of something Trace Memory already did)
WOW thanks, thats really... irritating. Thanks.
Haha, yeah, having the experience from Trace Memory helped a lot...
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2007, 09:57:41 AM
Post by: Shecky on October 09, 2007, 11:43:41 AM
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Originally posted by: decoyman
Take a look at both images. They're aligned, aren't they? And the look like mirror images of each other. You have one way to align them physically...
Close your DS to "imprint" it on your map .
Devious, isn't it? (even if it is a rip-off of something Trace Memory already did)
WOW thanks, thats really... irritating. Thanks.
Tell me about it. Puzzles like that aren't intuitive in my book, they're the exact opposite.... I made that exact puzzle a negative comment in the survey they requested of me.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 11:46:24 AM
Post by: Caliban on October 09, 2007, 12:30:50 PM
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I think you trade stuff by unlocking the option by finding a certain character and leaving stuff in a box and putting your DS in sleep mode and if anyone around you has their game and DS set up to exchange then you can exchange. I think.
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Yeah you find this hippy chick with "magical boxes" where you can leave 3 things at a time for exchange.
Awww, it's only a local exchange, bummer, thanks for the info though.
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2007, 12:41:56 PM
Post by: Shecky on October 09, 2007, 03:37:03 PM
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Something tells me you don't play nearly enough Point 'N Click games!
Well it sounds like Point 'N Click games = Trace Memory and no I haven't played that title.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 09, 2007, 04:00:31 PM
"Puzzles like that aren't intuitive in my book, they're the exact opposite"
Because that's how PnCs generally work!
Post by: chaingunsofdoom on October 12, 2007, 06:26:26 AM
Edit: Oops, I'm 4 days late. Search didn't find IceCold's post.
Post by: mantidor on October 13, 2007, 01:35:03 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2007, 03:36:50 PM
Post by: ShreddersDojo on October 15, 2007, 08:14:48 AM
Is the simplified style so good that you don't need a walkthrough too have fun with it, or is it tougher than a standard Zelda game?
Post by: DAaaMan64 on October 15, 2007, 09:13:44 AM
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Post by: Shecky on October 18, 2007, 01:24:22 AM
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Not just notes, but as you get new items you can virtually bypass huge portions of many rooms.
Yup, like sling shotting to the second set of stairs on level 4 or 5 with the grapple hook. I manged to get down to 2 1/2 min to the yellow checkpoint.
Post by: decoyman on October 18, 2007, 05:36:52 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2007, 02:21:54 PM
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I'm telling you guys, Phantom Hourglass (at least the Ocean King Temple part) is to Zelda as Jungle Beat is to Donkey Kong platformers.
You mean tedious suckage?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2007, 02:23:37 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2007, 02:24:49 PM
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Wow, your avatar and what you just posted is about the most perfect irony I've ever seen...
Except the part where Heavenly Sword is a good if not great game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2007, 02:28:12 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2007, 02:30:11 PM
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Now we've left "irony" and are now in the "denial" stage!
Well I've had more fun with Heavenly Sword then I have had with PH. SO take that evil Bill! I think you ALL are in denial! This may be the only traditional Zelda game that I will not finish.
Post by: mantidor on October 18, 2007, 04:00:27 PM
Oh and this game is f!cking amazing, there's no words really, its already my favorite 2D Zelda game and a close second to MM. And I don't think I'm close to finish, it constantly surprises me with something.
I just solved the whale island thing and it was awesome, it has been a very long time since a Zelda game has had such fun puzzles, most of the time was just "light the torches to open the door", or "arrange tediously this pushable stones to press a switch".
So yeah GP is sick and wrong. :P
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2007, 04:03:43 PM
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I need to get this jungle beat game.
Oh and this game is f!cking amazing, there's no words really, its already my favorite 2D Zelda game and a close second to MM. And I don't think I'm close to finish, it constantly surprises me with something.
I just solved the whale island thing and it was awesome, it has been a very long time since a Zelda game has had such fun puzzles, most of the time was just "light the torches to open the door", or "arrange tediously this pushable stones to press a switch".
So yeah GP is sick and wrong. :P
You is sick and wrong!
Post by: Mario on October 18, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Post by: IceCold on October 18, 2007, 05:42:44 PM
QuoteWell, you're the one who doesn't read reviews and relies on forum users when you choose which games to buy, right? I'm surprised you didn't get Jungle Beat then - the reviews were mediocre but on this very forum most of us were gushing about it. During some of the levels, when you're stringing combos and feeling invincible, it's the closest to gaming bliss you could get last generation.
I need to get this jungle beat game.
Post by: Mario on October 18, 2007, 05:56:07 PM
Post by: Crimm on October 18, 2007, 07:57:05 PM
Post by: mantidor on October 19, 2007, 03:23:58 AM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteWell, you're the one who doesn't read reviews and relies on forum users when you choose which games to buy, right? I'm surprised you didn't get Jungle Beat then - the reviews were mediocre but on this very forum most of us were gushing about it. During some of the levels, when you're stringing combos and feeling invincible, it's the closest to gaming bliss you could get last generation.
I need to get this jungle beat game.
oh the game has always been on my list, along with others like beyond good and evil, the problem is availability more than anything, I haven't seen this game around here at all.
But yeah PH is great, I still have problems with the calibration of the screen unfortunately, I try to be as accurate as possible but it still seems off.
Post by: Kairon on October 19, 2007, 03:59:44 AM
Oh, and I also love how Link gets dizzy if you roll or spin too much, this mechanic NEEDS to become Zelda canon...
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2007, 06:41:49 AM
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Post by: UncleBob on October 24, 2007, 05:19:52 AM
It is *frickin' awesome*. In fact, I'm going to have to play though it again... Which is a shame, as I still need to play though Sin and Punishment, SMB2 and Chibi Robo....
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 07:51:03 AM
- Loved the intro to it (classic Wind Waker music was really nice even on the DS)
- I don't mind the "Hey" from the fairy lol
- I don't like the touch screen controls at all
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 27, 2007, 09:44:30 AM
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 09:49:35 AM
It hasn't enhanced the game yet at all. Wow I can move with touching . . . and have swinging that isn't very accurate. Awesome. Oh and trying to get myself to do a roll on the ground is too random.
Yeah. Pointless.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 27, 2007, 10:39:06 AM
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 11:03:24 AM
All I can say is so far im not super impressed with the whole touch screen thing.
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 11:33:28 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on October 27, 2007, 11:38:36 AM
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yeahhh you can't sit there and tell me touching the screen to attack which also makes you move is more accurate than traditional controls.
Have you tried, you know, tapping the enemies? That's extremely accurate, and the sort of instantaneous targeting that would be pretty difficult to do with traditional controls. If you're trying to draw lines to slash while fighting enemies, then yeah, I can see how that would be a problem, but it's a pretty dumb and avoidable problem.
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 12:02:52 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 12:06:28 PM
And to me, just tapping enemies to insta-lock on and kill them isn't all that fun nor challenging tbh.
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Oh, and if you want to roll don't make little circles. Just slide tap the stylus into the side of the screen twice in your desired direction. I can do it on demand.
Then the game should tell me to do that instead of telling me circles so I don't feel like an retard while trying to do the move. Thank you for the advice though.
I think they are a step backwards I don't see what the great thing is about touch controls for this traditional Zelda game. I just don't get it. It's not that they are overly difficult or anything it's just not a "wow this is a logical move for the zelda series!" it feels more tacked on than anything else.
Edit: With that said the parts with the touch screen that are welcome is the map drawing, but so far I'm just not digging this Zelda adventure.
Post by: Mario on October 27, 2007, 12:47:10 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 01:07:13 PM
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I think they are a step backwards I don't see what the great thing is about touch controls for this traditional Zelda game. I just don't get it. It's not that they are overly difficult or anything it's just not a "wow this is a logical move for the zelda series!" it feels more tacked on than anything else.
Why is it a step backwards if you don't think that they are overly difficult or anything? They're just different, that's all. They're a sidewats move in a lot of ways, and a move to suit the hardware and to be more accessible to new players who would find the SNES layout difficult, I'm sure.
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And to me, just tapping enemies to insta-lock on and kill them isn't all that fun nor challenging tbh.
Besides, why complain about the tapping on enemies to kill them? You say that it isn't difficult, and that's EXACTLY what controls should be: not difficult. You shouldn't have difficulty fighting enemies, because Zelda is about figuring out how to fight them instead of the act of actually fighting them. The fun isn't in killing the enemies, it's in the figuring out how to. This isn't an FPS, after all.
Also, very soon you will find enough enemies who you CAN'T defeat by tapping on. They literally block ALL your sword attacks... unless... hehe.
Anyways, I really believe that complaints about touch screen controls in this game are complaints about them being DIFFERENT, not worse. Though I will give you that the game told you the bad way to roll...
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 01:35:36 PM
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Besides, why complain about the tapping on enemies to kill them? You say that it isn't difficult, and that's EXACTLY what controls should be: not difficult. You shouldn't have difficulty fighting enemies, because Zelda is about figuring out how to fight them instead of the act of actually fighting them. The fun isn't in killing the enemies, it's in the figuring out how to. This isn't an FPS, after all.
Half the fun of Zelda games of old was dodging enemies with quick controls, swiping and hitting them in the right way and trying not to take damage.
I just don't see that happening with these controls.
It's a slight downgrade. It's different in a bad way to me. It's nothing fantastic. It feels dumbed down with far less possibilities for moves.
Not impressed at all and the more I play it the more I regret my purchase.
Post by: optimisticlimbo on October 27, 2007, 01:53:52 PM
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Besides, why complain about the tapping on enemies to kill them? You say that it isn't difficult, and that's EXACTLY what controls should be: not difficult. You shouldn't have difficulty fighting enemies, because Zelda is about figuring out how to fight them instead of the act of actually fighting them. The fun isn't in killing the enemies, it's in the figuring out how to. This isn't an FPS, after all.
Half the fun of Zelda games of old was dodging enemies with quick controls, swiping and hitting them in the right way and trying not to take damage.
I just don't see that happening with these controls.
It's a slight downgrade. It's different in a bad way to me. It's nothing fantastic. It feels dumbed down with far less possibilities for moves.
Not impressed at all and the more I play it the more I regret my purchase.
I'm a huge Zelda fan, and I'll be honest, the games to me at least, have never been about combat. 'Fighting' enemies to me has always been like a mobile puzzle. The fighting possibilities were definitely upped with all the moves that were put into Wind Waker, but these just expanded the 'how do I take this enemy down' repertoire.
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 02:45:14 PM
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Besides, why complain about the tapping on enemies to kill them? You say that it isn't difficult, and that's EXACTLY what controls should be: not difficult. You shouldn't have difficulty fighting enemies, because Zelda is about figuring out how to fight them instead of the act of actually fighting them. The fun isn't in killing the enemies, it's in the figuring out how to. This isn't an FPS, after all.
Half the fun of Zelda games of old was dodging enemies with quick controls, swiping and hitting them in the right way and trying not to take damage.
I just don't see that happening with these controls.
It's a slight downgrade. It's different in a bad way to me. It's nothing fantastic. It feels dumbed down with far less possibilities for moves.
Not impressed at all and the more I play it the more I regret my purchase.
I'm a huge Zelda fan, and I'll be honest, the games to me at least, have never been about combat. 'Fighting' enemies to me has always been like a mobile puzzle. The fighting possibilities were definitely upped with all the moves that were put into Wind Waker, but these just expanded the 'how do I take this enemy down' repertoire.
Yeah, as a Zelda fan myself I never considered the enemies as anything other than easy to dispense of once you know what tool to use. I mean, seriously, the only Zelda game which required gamer skill to fight in was Zelda 2, and that Zelda... well... and I guess you could say Zelda 1, but that was because of the difficulties inherent in any oldschool NES game. And my MOM played the NES game, so even there the enemies couldn't have been that worrisome.
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 03:37:33 PM
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so even there the enemies couldn't have been that worrisome.
Someone's never played through the original Zelda lol
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 03:46:34 PM
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so even there the enemies couldn't have been that worrisome.
Someone's never played through the original Zelda lol
The original Zelda enemies were never hard, old-school 2D controls and paradigms were. Notice how much easier enemies were in LTTP, where it was still 2D, but they had worked out the kinks of 2D control mechanics?
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 03:56:29 PM
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The original Zelda enemies were never hard, old-school 2D controls and paradigms were. Notice how much easier enemies were in LTTP, where it was still 2D, but they had worked out the kinks of 2D control mechanics?
ALttP didn't have groups of those crazy wizards that's all I will say.
Edit: In any case I still am not seeing what's so amazing about this game outside of it's visuals.
Double Edit: Where's GP lol
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 04:04:39 PM
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The original Zelda enemies were never hard, old-school 2D controls and paradigms were. Notice how much easier enemies were in LTTP, where it was still 2D, but they had worked out the kinks of 2D control mechanics?
ALttP didn't have groups of those crazy wizards that's all I will say.
Sounds like Somebody didn't play the Misery Mire dungeon in Lttp dark world!
Also, in LttP the like-like's had TONGUES that SHOT out at you!
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Double Edit: Where's GP lol
I already had an epic discussion with her through PMs. I don't know if she wants to revive it here though, lol.
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 04:11:06 PM
The NES wizards were in a class all their own. They just raped your face off!
Still PH seems like watered down wind waker in a bad way so far.
Post by: IceCold on October 27, 2007, 04:35:57 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 27, 2007, 05:08:29 PM
just kidding
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 27, 2007, 05:33:03 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 05:53:13 PM
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Wow, Kairon's defending a good game for once..
Hey, I ALWAYS defend games worth defending!
... they're not always THIS good, but they're ALWAYS worth defending.
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 06:33:25 PM
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The NES wizards were in a class all their own. They just raped your face off!
Haha, I didn't hate them as much as I hated NES darknuts though!
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Still PH seems like watered down wind waker in a bad way so far.
I don't agree at all. To me, it seems like a handheld successor to LTTP.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 27, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
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I don't agree at all. To me, it seems like a handheld successor to LTTP.
I think I almost puked.
Post by: Kairon on October 27, 2007, 08:54:37 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 27, 2007, 11:28:01 PM
The touchscreen controls were a wise decision. After all, what would be the alternatives while maintaining the functions the touchscreen provides for items? I bet you'd complain if you had to drag out the stylus every time you want to throw the boomerang so full button controls are out (unless you want to return the items to LttP level and make it 8-way aiming again). Permanent dpad use while using the stylus for everything except movement hurts after an hour of playing. Really, how would you have designed the controls instead without making it Lttp with 3d graphics?
Post by: Mashiro on October 28, 2007, 03:24:56 AM
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I think they work fairly well, though I would have much rather had seen a more traditional control scheme with touch control used sparingly for weapon use along with note taking.
Agreed.
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I don't agree at all. To me, it seems like a handheld successor to LTTP.
. . . yeah I shall puke as well . . .
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lern2play nub. After I got some pratice I'm now capable of stabbing enemies with little trouble even without aimed taps.
You told me to l2p lol . . . what is this the WoW forums? Seriously, it's not overly difficult to use the controls but as I said it's not like a "wow this is amazing and totally a logical step in advancing the zelda series!". I just don't think it merits replacing the old play style at all.
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The touchscreen controls were a wise decision. After all, what would be the alternatives while maintaining the functions the touchscreen provides for items? I bet you'd complain if you had to drag out the stylus every time you want to throw the boomerang . . .
I did the same thing with New Super Mario Bros. in regards to the taking out the stylus (see: item power ups). I wouldn't complain if it was like that I wouldn't mind it like that at all actually.
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Really, how would you have designed the controls instead without making it Lttp with 3d graphics?
I would have vastly preferred that they DID make it more like a LTTP with 3D graphics. They stuck with nearly all traditional controls for NSMB so why couldn't they have done the same here? The only thing I really think is great with the touch pad so far is marking your maps.
Post by: Kairon on October 28, 2007, 04:40:41 AM
Post by: Adrock on October 28, 2007, 08:34:17 PM
Phantom Hourglass NEEDED to have touchscreen controls. There, I said it. Despite the 3D engine, PH is essentially a 2D Zelda game and as such, needed to be something different from A Link to the Past. For me, LttP was the ultimate 2D Zelda, the epitome of its design. Every 2D Zelda post-LttP failed to capture the same feeling. That said, I appreciate and applaud the decision for touchscreen controls though the mapping items to the shoulder buttons was an welcome option.
Still, the new control method does not itself make the game original. Over half the game is typical Zelda fare. Same items, same puzzles, same structure (go to dungeon-->find weapon+keys-->beat boss-->get shiny thing-->repeat until final boss) and so on. The controls are also not perfect. Close, but still not perfect. There are times when the game doesn't register input. Not enough to ruin the experience, but it's still a minor nuisance.
The story was weak, but no surprises there (Zelda with a weak plot... you don't say?). It was kind of like the plots of Wind Waker and Link's Awakening arguably the 2 strongest Zelda plots combined into one much lamer storyline. Ocean King's true form = Fake Wind Fish.
In conclusion: Good game, weak story... most original Zelda in a while though not by much. Touchscreen controls are nice, but they don't change the series which is still too attached to its same old design and structure.
Post by: Kairon on October 28, 2007, 09:05:11 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 28, 2007, 09:18:46 PM
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I'm not done with the game yet, but I feel like it's been pretty inventive so far. For instance, the (boss spoiler)courage boss is so awesome because it's been the first time I can recall of that we actually see Link through the boss' eyes and actually have to change how we think of our controls in order to use the dual viewpoints to navigate Link(end boss spoiler).
PH stole from Turtles in Time Shredder boss= Confirmed
Post by: Kairon on October 28, 2007, 09:24:01 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 28, 2007, 09:26:45 PM
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Really? I gotta play that game again because I don't remember any awesome trickery for Shredder!
Haha, it was from his perspective though and you had to throw foot soldiers at him.
Post by: Kairon on October 28, 2007, 09:33:40 PM
I think I know what you're talking about. Haha. Not the same thing, but thanks for jogging the memory GP! I'm DEFINITELY buying TMNT IV:Turtles in Time if it comes out for VC!
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 04:01:49 AM
Again, I really, really like this Zelda. It had almost nothing to drag my experience down, it was pure game, and I actually died on the final (multipart!) boss sequence through a combination of wear and tear and having to learn strategies. This game may technically be scaled back a bit for the DS, but that fight sure as hell wasn't, and it's a testament to Nintendo that they could get such an epic and unique mechanic in, in addition to the 3D, on the Nintendo DS hardware.Toweards the end the game practically sends you hurtling to the climax, and I was sorely tempted to tempted to keep pressing forward instead of drawing back whenever I died or got in a bad spot, tempted to try again even though I was out of potions and had three hearts left.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 29, 2007, 04:47:49 AM
Also remember that NSMB got panned for not improving the formula. Zelda is a puzzle-based game and you can only do so many puzzles with the items included in past games without resorting to context sensitive actions (which are the real failure of a puzzle game mechanic, once you resort to introducing new verbs to create puzzles you have reached failure). Changing the item mechanics allows for new puzzles.
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 05:04:15 AM
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With touch screen controls I can throw the boomerang, immediately start slashing with the sword and still not develop a cramp from the dpad use.
I never got cramps doing that . . .
To each their own I guess I don't see the benefits of full on touch controls, it just doesn't appeal to me. It will never appeal to me in its current form and well that's that.
Oh and yeah I used the stylus for NSMB I can't stand getting my touch screen messed up with finger prints =)
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 05:35:46 AM
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Oh and yeah I used the stylus for NSMB I can't stand getting my touch screen messed up with finger prints =)
I don't understand why people don't get screen protectors. It's a simple solution that gets you TONS of peace of mind.
Oh, but even without one, this is a Nintendo product. If a little skin oil is gonna do more damage to the touchscreen than a sharp jab by the hard, unforgiving, plastic spear, then things are already beyond redemption.
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 06:07:14 AM
If I don't have a problem taking out the stylus on the fly why wouldn't you understand me not getting a screen protector? I don't need one =)
ITT: People who can't stand how other people play their games.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 29, 2007, 08:17:33 AM
I use the tip of my fingernail to avoid smudges, it's precise enough for games like Cv DoS (seal drawing).
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 29, 2007, 08:27:03 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 29, 2007, 08:33:42 AM
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Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 09:21:34 AM
I'm not having any fun with this game, gonna trade it in within the hour.
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 09:28:48 AM
Edit: How and where do you guys play your DS? Maybe that has something to do with our conflicting experiences. I play my DS in bed most of the time, meaning I don't really have to support anything: I just lie on my stomache, prop a pillow under my chest, and rest my forearms on the bed while I play. I have a perfect lighting situation and don't really need to support anything, and I never need to hold up the DS in mid-air.
Could trying to use touch screen controls with just the left hand supporting the DS in mid-air with no help be bothering you guys?
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 09:32:06 AM
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 09:35:23 AM
For further proof of how this game is splitting opinions, look no further than a discussion between Newsweek's N'Gai Croal and MTV's Stephen Totilo, where some quotes involve:
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N'Gai Croal:...
And until the Phantom Hourglass, I'd never played a Zelda game--not for more than 20 minutes or so, at any rate. This shouldn't come as a surprise to careful readers of Vs. Mode, as I freely volunteered this in our very first exchange.
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By contrast, I'm very much enjoying the controls for Phantom Hourglass. I wasn't worried that I'd feel differently--unlike those for Twilight Princess, they've been universally praised--but is it possible that they're even better than advertised? I think so. If the overwhelming sensation upon firing up Phantom Hourglass were charm, I'd say that its charm extends to its controls as well, because moving Link about using the stylus is at once precise and delightful. Because I kept dragging the stylus across the screen to direct Link's movements, it actually took me a while to consciously realize that Link moves to the point where I'm holding down the stylus as if drawn towards it by a magnet, but subconsciously, I'd figured that out from the start; proof of the Zelda team's intuitive setup.
I love the boomerang, especially the way that its sound effect makes me feel as though I'm slightly out of control whenever I trace out a trajectory for it to follow once I throw it. Ditto for swirling the stylus for Link's circle strike; tapping for his basic attack, firing his ship's cannon or making his ship jump over obstacles. The game has just enough twitch to engage and challenge my hands, but so far, not so much that it ever degenerates into stylus mashing. And as compelling as it is here, I hope that third party DS creators are taking copious notes, because the mechanics in Phantom Hourglass are both a revelation and a lodestar as to how action-adventure games for the platform should henceforth be developed. Eiji Aonuma and his team have cleverly figured out how to combine the stylus-driven controls and an isometric view in a way that replicates the feel of a 3-D game without the attendant camera issues. It reminds me of what Guerilla achieved on a much lesser scale with Killzone PSP, similarly opting for an isometric viewpoint rather than the first-person POV of its console predecessor. (Would that more developers followed suit rather than insisting on shoehorning FPS games onto the single-analog nub PSP.)
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Now, it may not have shocked life-long Vs Mode subscribers that The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass was your first Zelda. But it could just about hospitalize a few to find out that I think Phantom Hourglass could well be my last.
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This Zelda brings new things that refine old traditions. Instead of maps being generated automatically, the game invites the player to write part of the maps themselves (the island that requires the player to do all of the mapping is among the game's most charming areas). This game uses touch control to finally ensure that bombs land where you were trying to throw them. This is all good.
But the game also back-steps on some fundamentals. The older games' telltale audio clank of a sword knocked against secretly breakable wall is replaced with telltale patterns on floors that might as well include a signs that read: "place bomb here." The signature Zelda move of forward-rolling to bash, to dodge or just to fill time has been mapped to the one touch-control misfire, an exercise in futile edge-of-screen stylus-scribbling.
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Oh... but wait a second. Stephen Totilo LOVES the controls too, so I don't know what's up with you guys. &P:
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It's polished. Its graphics are splendid. Its controls are sublime--the main impetus for me nominating it as the best game of E3. It shows that Aonuma and team can make fantastic, enjoyable action-adventure. I mainly bristle at this game being a Zelda, because I am now ready to so thoroughly question the world's need for a new Zelda game. Someone like you comes along and says, if this is Zelda then what am I missing? You're missing Zelda at its finest. Technically it hits all the notes, but it doesn't sound them as well as previous Zelda games.
...Like I said, this game is something else...
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 09:46:52 AM
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 09:54:35 AM
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Well look on the bright side, I'm going to trade in a bunch of my games and get guitar hero III for like 10 dollars if the prices on their site for trade ins are accurate =D
Yay third party sales!
Oh, and check out my editted post including some quotes from N'Gai Croal and Stephen Totilo about their views on PH.
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 10:38:57 AM
Man Galaxy controls like crap . . . LOL jkjk the game plays BEAUTIFULLY I can't wait to get it <3
I traded in a lot of heavy hitter games too which I rarely do but I am sure GHIII is worth it. going to rock out for a bit now bbl
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 29, 2007, 11:12:41 AM
Post by: LuigiHann on October 29, 2007, 11:28:51 AM
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ITT: People who can't stand how other people play their games.
Nah. More like: ITT, people who state their opinions as fact. People do it all the time ("this game sucks" etc) but it only becomes obvious in situations like this where the split in opinions is so drastic. People simply expect others to agree with what they treat as fact, so it comes as a shock to hear someone disagree, and the natural reaction is to "correct" them.
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 11:35:07 AM
Walls of text are my correctional weapon of choice!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 29, 2007, 11:36:28 AM
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ITT: People who can't stand how other people play their games.
Nah. More like: ITT, people who state their opinions as fact. People do it all the time ("this game sucks" etc) but it only becomes obvious in situations like this where the split in opinions is so drastic. People simply expect others to agree with what they treat as fact, so it comes as a shock to hear someone disagree, and the natural reaction is to "correct" them.
Nah, I think people just like debating.
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 01:50:40 PM
I am still not the best at it (anything above easy mode so far is a little challenging haha) but I am blasting my way through easy mode and loving every second of it.
So this week wasn't a total loss in gaming.
Between GHIII and Zack and Wiki (which I do enjoy
) I'll be putting my Wii to a lot of use!
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 01:51:24 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 29, 2007, 01:58:27 PM
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I fully support everyone out there selling back copies of Nintendo games so that they can buy third party Wii titles.
Lol you would love me then, traded titles:
- Zelda PH
- Mario Kart DS
- New Super Mario Bros.
- Metroid Prime 3
- Wario Ware Wii
If you trade in all these games you can get GHIII for Wii for free and still get 6 dollars back =D
Ironically, right after I traded in my games some kid behind me bought my used Zelda PH.
Post by: mantidor on October 29, 2007, 04:22:03 PM
, I've tried calibrating and when I tried it in pictochat its not that bad, but in the game the cursor is really off specially when writting, the odd part is that its only noticeable in the left part of the screen, in the right part its fine, I hope the DS isn't just damaged.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 29, 2007, 04:32:34 PM
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I still have big issues with the calibration
I'm sorry to say, but Zelda:PH damaged your DS beyond repair.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 29, 2007, 09:56:33 PM
As I said, I don't think the game would have been more than a rehash if they had stayed with button controls, there have been 6 Zelda games with that pretty much all using the same items and I doubt there's much that can still be done in terms of puzzles with the old mechanics.
I think some people are so used to the old controls that they don't like the feeling of having to learn controls. After all, if I could do everything easily with the old controls why should I spend an hour or two of the new game as a control nub? But the answer is that the new controls allow things not possible with the old ones, namely item use that's not restricted to aiming in 8 directions and hitting fire. The game is much less oriented towards the cardinal directions now, in older Zeldas you could only attack in four directions, now you have like 32 and you can move in all of these, too. You're no longer tied to moving along a grid.
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Post by: decoyman on November 02, 2007, 07:44:41 AM
Part of the problem, I think, is that they give you a horizontal space, but the thing you need to draw is vertical. What the crap? I was trying to draw the dang thing on its side for awhile, and that obviously didn't work.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 02, 2007, 08:23:08 AM
Post by: Kairon on November 02, 2007, 08:27:14 AM
Edit: Maybe what Nintendo needs to do in these cases is show you an example of what you're drawing first, much like they do with the warp system. Visual instructions could almost instantly clear up ANY confusion on gesture input.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2007, 10:02:05 AM
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I have the same problem with my fives in BA, if I draw them from above, they become 6's. I have to force myself to draw 5's from the bottom, the unnatural way.
I don't have any problem drawing a 5, so there must be no problem, everyone else must be making it up.
Post by: Kairon on November 02, 2007, 10:19:42 AM
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BTW, just checked my completion time for this game. About 18 hours.
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Post by: Kairon on November 03, 2007, 12:01:04 PM
You're probably right, which means that I did an absolutely HORRENDOUS job in the Ocean King temple. Argh.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 03, 2007, 09:55:57 PM
Post by: Adrock on November 03, 2007, 09:21:25 PM
That's what I did anyway.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 05, 2007, 02:20:38 AM
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There's a red pot on the top right side of that room. Carry it over to the area you fight the Phantoms. You can basically let them see you then run to the protective spot where you dropped the pot. They'll chase you, but once you're in the protective spot, they'll get confused and turn around and you can just hack them with your sword.
That's what I did anyway.
I did that too, also on the other floors I intentionally made the Phantoms chase ofter me and ran to a safe spot to hack them in the back to make them give up their floor treasure.
Post by: Ghisy on November 11, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
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Random question: are we supposed to get a confirmation email when the Zelda stylus has been shipped from NOA?
Yes you will get an email. It will inform you that it can take up to 6 weeks for delivery as well.
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Random question: are we supposed to get a confirmation email when the Zelda stylus has been shipped from NOA?
I got my stylus the day after I got that email!
Post by: matt oz on November 19, 2007, 04:51:56 PM
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Post by: Ghisy on November 23, 2007, 11:11:59 AM
I now am the proud of owner of 3 DS Lites. Seriously.
But I have 2 copies of PH and retailers buy it for like 14 bucks, even sealed, what the hell?
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Post by: mantidor on December 10, 2007, 02:35:37 PM
I just loved the game in every way possible, the only complain I can find is that the music wasn't very good, lots of old tunes and the new ones aren't very memorable, but even then it was an amazing experience, I loved all the bosses, all the dungeons and all the little quests here and there, and I love the Ocean's King Temple! I will never understand any complain about it, its perfectly paced, you can dig deeper and faster the more items you have and it never felt tedious or boring, it was not solving the same puzzle even if it was, as weird as it sounds, a challenge to your own genius and I just loved it. Besides, I don't think I did a floor more than twice or three times, and theres a teleporter right in the middle to make the last few floors more easily accesible, I just really don't get any of the bad press.
Of course the real star were the controls which were pretty much perfect, I can't go back to a d-pad now, (but I'll make the effort since I finally got the Minish cap and I have to beat it).
Post by: Kairon on December 10, 2007, 04:41:42 PM
I tell ya, it's great to have someone to agree with!
Post by: Ghisy on December 11, 2007, 09:12:14 AM
Do you guys think I should write to Nintendo and ask about it?
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Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2008, 06:31:31 PM
Seriously, There is so much I enjoy in the two main portion of this series. WW had the stupid ocean.... This one has the Stupid touch controls. I've literally been drawing a figure 8 in every way that I know of for the last 10 MINUTES and still have yet to activate the time freeze more then the initial time with the first form of Bellum that has it... I've never been able to consistently do the roll move... I've died quiet a few times where I meant to use an item but instead was moved... I really love it on a lot of things but I think there doing to much....
After 5 more minutes of trying I called Nintendo to complain...
They said I should go from the upper left to the upper right down to the lower left to the lower right and back to the upper left and that it will take time and to do it large... good 5 minutes later still no freeze...
Post by: mantidor on August 02, 2008, 09:30:35 PM
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Post by: Ceric on August 03, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
If you want to criticize PH the last thing you can complain about is the controls.
I disagee. Out of all the elements of the game I think the controls are among the worst. There are very many times where they shine they really really do. Though the other time they drop like a stone.
The item switching is a little clunky for being on the fly. Some moves, rolling, are just to hard to pull off consistently to really be useful. Symbol recognition, ignoring the Bellum thing but with the slate for example, is sketchy at best. Moving instead of throwing and vice versa.
Things I thought were really great with the controls. About anything to do with the ship, I'm very happy with how they did that. Bombchu's spot on. The Boomerang best implementation since they went to 3D. Also liked the Grapple.
I do really miss the parry system among other things in from Wind Waker but you know.
In all actuality I really enjoyed the game more so then TP and WW. I do want to beat it and there other things in a lesser game I wouldn't allow slip. I'm a little harsh on the end because that is what I'm working for in this particular game. In the controls I think the lows just seem so much more relevant because of the highs.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 13, 2008, 08:40:46 PM
I could say a whole lot about it. Like I love the bombchu/boomerang/note taking abilities provided by the touchscreen. Riding on this ocean is wonderful, although I run into whats-her-name way too often. Many of the puzzles are brilliantly inventive (the closing the DS thing made me laugh aloud when I figured it out; I've played Trace Memory but it's been ages). The minigames are lots of fun, the ability to sell treasures and things is a nice idea, boat customization is fun. I loved finding new islands. And this is a loaded statement, but this game probably has the best bosses of any Zelda game I've played (consistently good, inventive, fun, surprising, engaging); considering the quality of Zelda bosses, this means that these are possibly some of the best bosses in gaming, period.
If I had complaints, it's that the encounters with other races (Gorons, the ice folk) were too brief and isolated, when they could have been fleshed out more (like in Wind Waker, OoT, etc). While the final boss itself was fantastic, I didn't feel much of a connection to the boss (hearing about a boss or seeing him a lot earlier in the game make you want to beat him more; you're aware that you must beat him. The game preceding Bellum didn't feel like it was leading up to him.
Also, the game felt rather short (maybe because Twilight Princess was so long). Too much fun to give up yet. But I still have orbs and ship parts to collect, so that'll keep me busy a bit longer.
I may say more later. But I'll join the chorus of voices that liked the game and thought it did something new or interesting, and did it effectively. It's not my favorite 2D Zelda (still Link's Awakening), but it's still a great game and ranks with the best of Zelda.
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Post by: SixthAngel on December 09, 2008, 09:35:19 AM
This is probably my favorite Zelda since the first one. It did so many things in amazingly. Most of the concepts used for one boss fight could have entire games based around it (crab boss especially). I actually managed to die once or twice which I haven't done in Zelda game in years. The touch screen blows the old system out of the water. Using the items is fast, easy and the touchscreen gives most of the items some extra awesome.
One of my favorite things they did was fix the money system. Money is actually worthwhile!! I never had more money then I could possibly need. The ship parts and other things to buy kept me constantly WANTING rupees. After my last few Zelda game I loved the fact that rupees were an actual reward again and not something I hated getting when I opened a chest. Actually giving me something to buy is the most obvious idea ever and I am happy Nintendo finally realized that.
When I first finished the game I only had all the parts to Demon Ship, which is probably my favorite ship along with the Iron ship. The variety and customization is a great aspect to keep the sailing from never becoming visually boring.
What is your favorite ship?
Post by: Kairon on December 09, 2008, 03:33:51 PM
This is probably my favorite Zelda since the first one. It did so many things in amazingly. Most of the concepts used for one boss fight could have entire games based around it (crab boss especially). I actually managed to die once or twice which I haven't done in Zelda game in years. The touch screen blows the old system out of the water. Using the items is fast, easy and the touchscreen gives most of the items some extra awesome.
<3 SixthAngel.
Oh, and my favorite ship was always a hodgepodge of parts. For some reason I'm too eclectic to consistently favor all the parts of one style together, or maybe I just have commitment problems? Eheh... Either way, I've always felt that it was sad that game's punish me for my impulse to mix-and-match while rewarding players who gather up complete, uniform sets.
Post by: EasyCure on December 09, 2008, 05:01:49 PM
i agree with all your points, except the rupee/ship parts. Not that i disagree, i just feel indifferent. It was a neat incentive to spend rupees on parts but I never purchased any. I had a funky custom ship cuz i mix and matched any parts i came across, but buying them wasn't a priority. Maybe one day i'll play it again and collect them all.
I must say my favorite weapon to use was the hook claw and how wonderfuly it was used. It was one of my favorite dungeons because of it, and the boss fight was sweet when i figured out how to use it. So much fun! I hope the next console Zelda lives up to the fun this title was.
Post by: M.K.Ultra on December 02, 2020, 04:43:38 PM
Thoughts on the game
I really enjoyed this game. I liked the length of the overall game and the length of the dungeons. I liked the controls, the weapons, and even the salvaging mini-game. I missed out on the DS completely so it really felt fresh to me to use the microphone and touchscreen in such novel ways. I usually don't like when I have to look things up but that only happened twice in this game which acceptable for me.
Using the Wii U
As you probably know the Wii U VC has quite a few options for displaying the two screens. I chose the one where the game pad is the lower touch screen of the DS and the TV is the upper screen of the DS. The worked really well. I was mostly looking at the game-pad but during the boss battles when both screens were used it was really exciting. When I got to the one puzzle where you are supposed to close the DS I thought "Well, I could touch the gamepad to the TV but I don't think the game would detect that" but I realized you can just go into the VC menu (using ZR) and then come back and it works like closing the DS.
Even on the big screen this game looks surprisingly good (about PS1 quality). It makes me pine for the alternate reality where there is a 3DS virtual console that uses the gamepad as the lower touch screen and my 3D TV to display the stereoscopic 3D top screen. :'(
Reading this thread.
I also read through this whole thread before posting. It is not surprising that the controls were so divisive as this a recurring debate. People that grow up pressing buttons like pressing buttons. I think the next gen might be the same way with touch screens. Personally I love new ways to interact with games but I get the opposition.
If people feel like reflecting on this game after another decade has passed I would be interested in hearing about it. I should have comments on Spirit Tracks when I get to that in a year or so.
Post by: Stratos on December 06, 2020, 05:22:24 PM
Post by: M.K.Ultra on December 06, 2020, 08:56:58 PM
The multiplayer for this was an absolute blast. Is that working with the Wii U version? I'd be down to grab it if the multiplayer is restored.I am not sure. I will check and get back to you.
